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Author:  Bombadil [ Wed May 02, 2012 9:04 am ]
Post subject:  Morality of crosswalk buttons

Let's say a man is walking his dog and just leisurely strolling about in his spare time. He approaches a busy street with scores of cars going both ways. Disregarding the fact that crosswalk buttons are generally fake, as it is a sin to intend to do something even if it is impossible, or even if you change your mind, is it sinful for him to press the crosswalk button in the hopes that he can spend less time waiting on the light and force scores of people who may actually have things to do to wait on him?

Ok, I admit this isn't a serious issue. ::):

Author:  Peregrinator [ Wed May 02, 2012 9:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Morality of crosswalk buttons

Only someone who is enslaved to the American car mentality would even ask the question of whether it is immoral for a pedestrian to make drivers wait. :P

Author:  Benedetta [ Wed May 02, 2012 9:30 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Morality of crosswalk buttons

Yesterday when I was in NJ, I saw a lady pressing the crosswalk button over and over again as if she thought that would actually be helpful. I guess no one has told her that they are generally fake.

Author:  Doom [ Wed May 02, 2012 10:44 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Morality of crosswalk buttons

It's true that the crosswalk button doesn't make the light turn red any faster, but you are quite wrong that it doesn't do anything at all....when you hit the crosswalk button it activates the 'walk/don't walk' sign, which, in most places these days anyway, also have a timer telling you how much time you have to cross before the light turns green again...and without that...you're really just guessing and hoping against hope that the light doesn't turn green when you're only halfway across...

Author:  Zeno [ Wed May 02, 2012 10:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Morality of crosswalk buttons

Around here the light in the pedestrian direction actually stays green longer in many cases if the button has been pushed. So it might not make it change faster but it does make sure you have long enough to cross the street.

Author:  Doom [ Wed May 02, 2012 11:02 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Morality of crosswalk buttons

Zeno wrote:
Around here the light in the pedestrian direction actually stays green longer in many cases if the button has been pushed. So it might not make it change faster but it does make sure you have long enough to cross the street.


Well, for my part, I don't think I've ever seen a city where the 'walk/don't walk' sign activates if no one has pushed the button...

Author:  Sinty [ Wed May 02, 2012 11:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Morality of crosswalk buttons

Doom wrote:
Zeno wrote:
Around here the light in the pedestrian direction actually stays green longer in many cases if the button has been pushed. So it might not make it change faster but it does make sure you have long enough to cross the street.


Well, for my part, I don't think I've ever seen a city where the 'walk/don't walk' sign activates if no one has pushed the button...


I've seen one instance of that. I don't know why it's on that one road, though.

Also, I have to say, being someone who walked to Mass every day for a while, I find the walk signs around here to be utterly useless. Most of them will only activate if you press the button before the light turns green. I have actually gotten to a light right when it turned green, pressed the button, and nothing happened. And I was on the main street. The light was on for another minute and a half. Things like this happen all the time. So I basically just do hope I have enough time to go across, and I nearly always do. Ugh, crosswalk signs.

[/rant]

Author:  Pro Ecclesia Dei [ Wed May 02, 2012 12:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Morality of crosswalk buttons

Crosswalk buttons usually affect the pedestrian signal and/or time to cross

In some intersections they do change the lights. We have many lights here that, rather than strict timers, adjust automatically for traffic. Which is nice, you come up to a red and there is no cars going the other way and it changes immediately. It will stay green for the actual traffic until there is traffic the other way, or until someone presses the crosswalk button.

They also have them now on crosswalks that aren't at lights, but go through busier streets. Usually it has some flashing lights to signal drivers that someone is crossing.

Like this:

http://www.streetfilms.org/wp-content/u ... poster.jpg

Author:  Bombadil [ Wed May 02, 2012 2:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Morality of crosswalk buttons

Bagheera wrote:
Only someone who is enslaved to the American car mentality would even ask the question of whether it is immoral for a pedestrian to make drivers wait. :P

Only a yankee could make such an asinine statement.

Author:  gherkin [ Wed May 02, 2012 3:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Morality of crosswalk buttons

Bombadil wrote:
Bagheera wrote:
Only someone who is enslaved to the American car mentality would even ask the question of whether it is immoral for a pedestrian to make drivers wait. :P

Only a yankee could make such an asinine statement.

Only a Texan could confuse a near-southerner like dcs with a yankee. dcs's state touches the mason dixon line. He's no yankee. :fyi:

Author:  Bombadil [ Wed May 02, 2012 3:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Morality of crosswalk buttons

gherkin wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Bagheera wrote:
Only someone who is enslaved to the American car mentality would even ask the question of whether it is immoral for a pedestrian to make drivers wait. :P

Only a yankee could make such an asinine statement.

Only a Texan could confuse a near-southerner like dcs with a yankee. dcs's state touches the mason dixon line. He's no yankee. :fyi:

:laughhard

Author:  DesertSailor [ Wed May 02, 2012 4:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Morality of crosswalk buttons

Bombadil wrote:
gherkin wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Bagheera wrote:
Only someone who is enslaved to the American car mentality would even ask the question of whether it is immoral for a pedestrian to make drivers wait. :P

Only a yankee could make such an asinine statement.

Only a Texan could confuse a near-southerner like dcs with a yankee. dcs's state touches the mason dixon line. He's no yankee. :fyi:

:laughhard

People north of Amarillo are mighty questionable.

Author:  Speed Racer [ Wed May 02, 2012 5:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Morality of crosswalk buttons

Here in Morgantown, the crosswalk buttons are definitely NOT fake .... but they also tend to be ignored by most people.

When you press one, it will, after a short wait, turn the signal for cars in all four directions to red, and activate the "WALK" signal for pedestrians.

But, as I said, most pedestrians ignore it. They will cross if it is clear, or if the auto traffic on the same street has a green.

Author:  Mrs. Timmy [ Wed May 02, 2012 5:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Morality of crosswalk buttons

DesertSailor wrote:
People north of Amarillo are mighty questionable.


Amarillo?!? Hell, I'm in Austin and there are folks who consider US suspect. Maybe it's just because of the rampant left-coast politics here..... :hijacked

Author:  Bombadil [ Wed May 02, 2012 6:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Morality of crosswalk buttons

Is Austin still part of Texas?

Author:  Mrs. Timmy [ Wed May 02, 2012 7:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Morality of crosswalk buttons

Bombadil wrote:
Is Austin still part of Texas?


Depends on whom you ask. :|

Author:  Peregrinator [ Wed May 02, 2012 7:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Morality of crosswalk buttons

Bombadil wrote:
gherkin wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Bagheera wrote:
Only someone who is enslaved to the American car mentality would even ask the question of whether it is immoral for a pedestrian to make drivers wait. :P

Only a yankee could make such an asinine statement.

Only a Texan could confuse a near-southerner like dcs with a yankee. dcs's state touches the mason dixon line. He's no yankee. :fyi:

:laughhard

gherkin is correct as regards the traditional use of the term. It was originally limited to descendents of English settlers in New England. Since I am not from New England, nor even primarily of English descent, I am not a Yankee. Of course, to a European I am a Yankee, but then so is virtually everyone else in this forum.

Author:  kage_ar [ Thu May 03, 2012 10:10 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Morality of crosswalk buttons

Move here. In our downtown area, if someone puts a foot off the curb, every car has to stop for them or risk a big fat ticket. Pedestrians have the right-of-way here.

Author:  Doom [ Thu May 03, 2012 10:37 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Morality of crosswalk buttons

kage_ar wrote:
Pedestrians have the right-of-way here.


Pedestrians have the right of way everywhere, that doesn't mean that it's smart to dart out in front of oncoming traffic, if you want to commit suicide there are more efficient means to do it.....

Author:  kage_ar [ Thu May 03, 2012 11:14 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Morality of crosswalk buttons

Doom wrote:
kage_ar wrote:
Pedestrians have the right-of-way here.


Pedestrians have the right of way everywhere, that doesn't mean that it's smart to dart out in front of oncoming traffic, if you want to commit suicide there are more efficient means to do it.....


Here it is enforced. We got a ticket (as did 5 other cars) because someone put one foot off the curb - not in a cross walk, they were hidden behind a van, but, they were still considered to have the right of way.

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