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 Post subject: Are you familiar with these Catholic lists?
PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 6:49 pm 
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http://www.sanctepater.com/2010/07/list ... iliar.html


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 Post subject: Re: Are you familiar with these Catholic lists?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 12:39 am 
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I have heard of all of them including, unfortunately, this one

The 3 Powers of the Soul
Memory
Intellect
Will


Not only is it misleading in that they are the three powers of the mind (anima) not "the three powers of the soul"(also anima), it is also not a matter of Church teaching and is somewhat wrong. The powers of the soul are nutritive (that ability I have to assimilate other things into me, grow, heal) shared with plants, sensitive (that ability to at least feel, but in our case hear, taste, touch and smell, as well as memory, imagination, the common sense and the aestimative sense [in our case the cognitive sense]), and intellective.

While not all animals have all the senses (some may have only more primitive ones), some, perhaps most, have some degree of memory. Dogs have memory, bees have memory. So only intellect and will are properly intellective, though our rational nature touches upon all the lower powers, for instance what is called the aestimative sense (the ability of an animal, say a sheep, to make particular judgments, say that this wolf is an enemy) is called the cognitive in us because it becomes nearly impossible to find acts of that sense in us that do not have a rational character (the fact that we think in language, which implies universal concepts). When, without thinking, we flee in a sudden rush then perhaps that is closer to the animal

But in anycase, they are taking this from St. Augustine, who use the relationship of memory, intellect and will to illustrate the Trinity. That is not the same as saying they are THE powers of the soul.

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 Post subject: Re: Are you familiar with these Catholic lists?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 6:59 am 
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PED,

I know and respect that precise theology is necessary, but if I had to fully understand all that is said about God via theological articulation I don't know if working out my salvation in fear and trembling would be enough.

Submitting myself to the Church's authentic teaching office has to be enough for me.

I do appreciate your studying and learning. :)


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 Post subject: Re: Are you familiar with these Catholic lists?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:27 am 
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It's a list of lists!

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 Post subject: Re: Are you familiar with these Catholic lists?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 12:46 pm 
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Dorothy B. wrote:
PED,

I know and respect that precise theology is necessary, but if I had to fully understand all that is said about God via theological articulation I don't know if working out my salvation in fear and trembling would be enough.

Submitting myself to the Church's authentic teaching office has to be enough for me.

I do appreciate your studying and learning. :)

The basic point was merely that this really has no place in a catechism ...unlike the other "lists" which are commonly in catechisms for small children.

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 Post subject: Re: Are you familiar with these Catholic lists?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 2:38 pm 
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I have seen this list before, on Fish Eaters. When the author of the blog copied the lists from Fish Eaters, he forgot to update the hyperlinks in the index. Currently the links go to the respective sections on the original page.


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 Post subject: Re: Are you familiar with these Catholic lists?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 6:48 pm 
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bookmarked. i should know this stuff better.

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