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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 Coronavirus Meter
PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 12:30 pm 
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The U.S. set a new grim record in the number of new coronavirus cases in a single day, with reports of nearly 46,000 on Friday.

I would propose this wording:

The U.S. set a new record in the number of positive test results in a single day, with reports of nearly 46.000 on Friday.

And, with that, I will no longer point out, for this case, the obvious.

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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 Coronavirus Meter
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Always include those scary adjectives. Never talk about US states where cases are going down. Never talk about what measures are being taken in Florida and Texas. It's individual states that should be looked at, not the whole US in the headline. Most states have reopened or are about to reopen. The safety precautions are well known. But how are you going to drink your drink in bars while wearing a face covering? Or watching people on a beach gathered in groups and most are not wearing a face covering. Or people inside or just outside a restaurant. How are you going to eat with a face covering? So Florida and Texas closed the bars. Beaches should be next. The safety measures are rather simple but I've seen people eating at tables outside by restaurants and no face coverings. Texas is now curbing its restaurants. Everybody should know what to do but some are not doing it. The virus is not "winning." People just need to follow the precautions. When they don't, they are more vulnerable.


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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 Coronavirus Meter
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Florida and Texas closed the bars. Next should be the beaches. British PM Boris Johnson was concerned about the same sort of behavior at beaches over there. This was a good preview of what 4th of July in the US could look like without lockdowns, especially in those places. A reasonably reliable report has 40% of new cases occurring in those under 35.

Beaches probably aren't a huge issue, since they're out of doors. Still, probably a good idea not to congregate in crowds.

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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 Coronavirus Meter
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The death rate isn’t that high and nowhere near, not even close, to the Spanish Flu. It’s barely above the rates for the Hong Kong flu of 1968.

"isn't that high"

Covid has already killed more Americans than the two waves of the Hong Kong Flu in 68-69 (1st wave) and 69-70. Deaths from the Hong Kong Flu in the U.S. are estimated at 34,000-100,000.

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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 Coronavirus Meter
PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:08 pm 
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Peetem wrote:
The death rate isn’t that high and nowhere near, not even close, to the Spanish Flu. It’s barely above the rates for the Hong Kong flu of 1968.

"isn't that high"

Covid has already killed more Americans than the two waves of the Hong Kong Flu in 68-69 (1st wave) and 69-70. Deaths from the Hong Kong Flu in the U.S. are estimated at 34,000-100,000.


Has it? Killed more Americans than the flue in 68-70? We know that the death rate from the Wuhan is exaggerated; we don't know how much. A telling point in the Hong Kong (or the Recently, But Now Brought in Line, Semi-Independent Province of the CPR) is that the "estimated" deaths cover a range of 300% -- so we don't know what that death rate was either.

It seems that our medical/political lobby has no idea what the death rates are from significant influenzas.

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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 Coronavirus Meter
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Peregrinator wrote:
Peetem wrote:
The death rate isn’t that high and nowhere near, not even close, to the Spanish Flu. It’s barely above the rates for the Hong Kong flu of 1968.

"isn't that high"

Covid has already killed more Americans than the two waves of the Hong Kong Flu in 68-69 (1st wave) and 69-70. Deaths from the Hong Kong Flu in the U.S. are estimated at 34,000-100,000.


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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 Coronavirus Meter
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A telling point in the Hong Kong (or the Recently, But Now Brought in Line, Semi-Independent Province of the CPR) is that the "estimated" deaths cover a range of 300% -- so we don't know what that death rate was either.

It seems that our medical/political lobby has no idea what the death rates are from significant influenzas.

That is a fair criticism but given that the number of deaths from Covid-19 already exceeds the highest estimate of Hong Kong Flu deaths, it's fair to say that the former is much more deadly than the latter. (It's also fair to point out that some Americans may have had a measure of immunity to the Hong Kong Flu due to the 1957 flu pandemic -- if that had not been the case, then maybe the comparison of Covid to the Hong Kong Flu would be more apt.)

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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 Coronavirus Meter
PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:24 am 
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A telling point in the Hong Kong (or the Recently, But Now Brought in Line, Semi-Independent Province of the CPR) is that the "estimated" deaths cover a range of 300% -- so we don't know what that death rate was either.

It seems that our medical/political lobby has no idea what the death rates are from significant influenzas.

That is a fair criticism but given that the number of deaths from Covid-19 already exceeds the highest estimate of Hong Kong Flu deaths, it's fair to say that the former is much more deadly than the latter. (It's also fair to point out that some Americans may have had a measure of immunity to the Hong Kong Flu due to the 1957 flu pandemic -- if that had not been the case, then maybe the comparison of Covid to the Hong Kong Flu would be more apt.)


Your points are good ... and it is probable that Wuhan deaths have and/or will exceed HK Flu. My prickliness on this issue is generated because I've followed Wuhan fairly obsessively online. In doing so, I have been educated that the bulk of statistics surrounding the extent and impact of Wuhan are not even suspect, but are clearly, unreliable. When the most cursory reading of various statistics reveals an order of magnitude difference in the range of the reported values, then the conclusions are little better than SWAGs. And some of the areas being measured are irrelevant to the considerations of how widespread and how deadly Wuhan is.

About two decades ago, a newly minted PhD, a retired military officer, told me that everything he had done is his doctoral program was dictated and evaluated by politics. Content was not a measure of merit. He predicted that we would see politics become the overwhelming measure of merit in all of our society. In the case of Wuhan, I think his prognostication was spot on.

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I would ask everyone to leave politics out of this. What is the problem? It's people not following precautions. That's it.


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A good precedent is being set in California regarding beaches as the 4th of July weekend approaches.

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Anthony Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease expert, warned members of Congress on Tuesday that the U.S. could reach 100,000 new COVID-19 cases per day if the country does not get a handle on the pandemic.

Speaking before the Senate health committee, Fauci said the country is heading in the “wrong direction" as the average number of daily cases continues to go up.

“We need to do something about that and we need to do it very quickly," said Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.

The U.S. is now recording 40,000 new cases per day, surpassing previous records set in April when New York was the epicenter of the outbreak. There are now more than 2.6 million confirmed cases in the U.S., including 126,000 deaths. States started recording increases after Memorial Day when many states lifted restrictions on businesses and activities that had been in place to slow the spread of the virus.

Outbreaks in Texas, Arizona, Florida and California now account for 50 percent of new infections in the U.S.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5 ... nt-control

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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 Coronavirus Meter
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I would ask everyone to leave politics out of this. What is the problem? It's people not following precautions. That's it.
I'm afraid that politics is inextricably interwound with "this". And I can't agree that the single problem is people not following precautions. And, if it was, the definition of "precautions" has a political component.

At least that is my NSHO.

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The U.S. set a new grim record in the number of new coronavirus cases in a single day, with reports of nearly 46,000 on Friday.

The 45,942 single-day increase was driven by more than 8,000 new cases in Florida and thousands more in Texas, Arizona and California, according to an NBC News tally.

Vice President Mike Pence meanwhile has postponed appearances that were planned in Arizona and Florida this coming week “out of an abundance of caution” due to the virus spikes in those states, an official with President Donald Trump's campaign said Saturday.




I recently read that nurses at one hospital got suspicious when all of the Covid 19 tests were coming back positive.
They sent 2 tests with unused swabs. They came back positive.
Other nurses sent 10 unused swabs, they all came back positive.
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Tens of thousands of coronavirus tests have been double-counted, officials admit
Two samples taken from the same patient are being recorded as two separate tests in the Government's official figures

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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 Coronavirus Meter
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Hmmmm. From the Dallas Morning News:

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AUSTIN — The state is no longer using a laboratory that has tested 14,000 Texans for the coronavirus, after it turned up an abnormal number of positive results during state-ordered testing at nursing homes and in community surveillance.

The Health and Human Services Commission said Friday it has contacted a “small number” of affected facilities to recommend they do not act on the test results by quarantining or isolating residents.

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The announcement comes in response to questions from The Dallas Morning News about tests in Scurry County in West Texas, where state-run testing found 39 people at a nursing home tested positive for COVID-19. None showed symptoms, County Judge Dan Hicks said. When the facility received the results earlier this week and tested residents again at a local hospital, all were negative, he said.

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There were similar occurrences with state-collected tests at nursing homes in Eastland County and in Panola County in East Texas. In Eastland County, 19 people tested positive for the virus, though they showed no symptoms and are being retested, according to the Abilene Reporter-News. The samples were collected by members of the Emergency Medical Task Force and Texas National Guard, the paper reported.

In Panola County, meanwhile, a Carthage nursing home is retesting 38 people after the state notified administrators that the results had come from a lab reporting anomalies, according to The Panola Watchman.
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The media spirals out of control.

Instead of informing the public, a requirement for a functional democracy, the New York Times shows today how off kilter the mainstream media wants to behave.


"Virus Spiraling Out of Control in U.S., June Data Show." Article headline above the fold.

People, not "the virus" have not controlled themselves.

Corrected: "People Spiraling Out of Control in U.S. Some Refuse to Follow Rules v. Virus, June Data Show."


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front page headline from today's chronicle

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stay at home this fourth of july

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Computer models are not science.
Science has rules and standards.
Computer models are... computer models.

Kind of like trusting the creators of online video poker.

...or Bernie Madoff.

Modelers Were ‘Astronomically Wrong’ in COVID-19 Predictions, Says Leading Epidemiologist—and the World Is Paying the Price

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Texas Governor Contradicts Everything He Ever Said About Mandating Masks


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yeah, it's pretty much quite the scandal down here :fyi: :yes:

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A strain of the coronavirus that was first seen in Italy is now the dominant strain of the virus infecting the world and it spreads much more quickly than earlier strains, a group of scientists has found.

Researchers working with the Sheffield COVID-19 Genomics Group announced that the new strain, called G614, “has become the most prevalent form in the global pandemic” after is crossed from Europe to America.

They say it has different characteristics to the D614 virus that appeared in Wuhan, China, the city where the coronavirus is believed to have originated.

They say G614 has almost completely replaced the first version to spread in Europe and the US, and they add that it has the potential to spread up to nine times more quickly.

However, the good news is that the new strain doesn’t make its hosts any sicker than previous strains, the scientists said in the peer-reviewed science journal Cell.

“It is now the dominant form infecting people,” Erica Ollmann Saphire of the La Jolla Institute for Immunology and the Coronavirus Immunotherapy Consortium, who worked on the study, told CNN. “This is now the virus.”

However, scientists cannot agree on why the new strain is so dominant.

Although research suggests that the newer strain is more virulent, some scientist involved in the study that the dominance could be due to its spread in the US.

The United States has failed to curb its surge of new coronavirus infections and now it has more confirmed cases than any other country.

It now has more than 2.7 million confirmed cases of the virus, and on Thursday set another record for new coronavirus cases in a 24-hour period.

However, death rates there have dropped dramatically and that tallies with what the Sheffield teams says about how dangerous this new strain is.

They say there is no evidence yet to suggest G614 was a more severe strain than the one thought to have originated late last year in Wuhan.

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