Login Register

All times are UTC - 5 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic Page 3 of 3   [ 57 posts ]   Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: CA legislature targets seal of Confessional -UPDATED
PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:24 am 
Offline
Prodigal Son of Thunder
Prodigal Son of Thunder
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 23, 2002 10:54 am
Posts: 39967
Location: Ithilien
Religion: Dunedain Catholic
Church Affiliations: AWC, CSB, UIGSE-FSE (FNE)
What I wanted was for the Pope to interdict California

_________________
Formerly Bagheera

"Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the King." (1 Peter 2:17)
Federation of North-American Explorers - North Star Group - How You Can Help


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: CA legislature targets seal of Confessional -UPDATED
PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:54 am 
Offline
There Can Be Only One
User avatar

Joined: Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:44 pm
Posts: 12661
Location: Nuevo Mexico
Religion: Catholic
Bon mot!

_________________
Where’er the Catholic sun doth shine,
There’s music and laughter and good red wine.
At least I’ve always found it so.
Benedicamus Domino!
~Hilaire Belloc

Semper Fi!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: CA legislature targets seal of Confessional -UPDATED
PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:29 pm 
Offline
Citizen
Citizen
User avatar

Joined: Sun Apr 16, 2017 12:13 am
Posts: 394
Location: Houston TX
Religion: Catholic
Peregrinator wrote:
What I wanted was for the Pope to interdict California

Do you think most of the Catholics would notice any difference?

_________________
Bobby, some things are like a tire fire, trying to put it out only makes it worse. You just gotta grab a beer and let it burn. - Hank Hill, explaining PMS


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: CA legislature targets seal of Confessional -UPDATED
PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:08 am 
Offline
There Can Be Only One
User avatar

Joined: Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:44 pm
Posts: 12661
Location: Nuevo Mexico
Religion: Catholic
I think that any Catholic who is serious about being Catholic must be in misery living in California. But that is an outsider's POV.

_________________
Where’er the Catholic sun doth shine,
There’s music and laughter and good red wine.
At least I’ve always found it so.
Benedicamus Domino!
~Hilaire Belloc

Semper Fi!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: CA legislature targets seal of Confessional -UPDATED
PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:36 am 
Offline
Board Administrator
Board Administrator
User avatar

Joined: Tue Dec 31, 2002 1:44 am
Posts: 19184
Religion: Catholic
You are quite right. Praying for the day we can leave this place.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: CA legislature targets seal of Confessional -UPDATED
PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:10 pm 
Offline
Prodigal Son of Thunder
Prodigal Son of Thunder
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 23, 2002 10:54 am
Posts: 39967
Location: Ithilien
Religion: Dunedain Catholic
Church Affiliations: AWC, CSB, UIGSE-FSE (FNE)
Riverboat wrote:
Peregrinator wrote:
What I wanted was for the Pope to interdict California

Do you think most of the Catholics would notice any difference?

Of course they would have. Even pro-abortion politicians have their enablers in the hierarchy.

_________________
Formerly Bagheera

"Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the King." (1 Peter 2:17)
Federation of North-American Explorers - North Star Group - How You Can Help


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: CA legislature targets seal of Confessional -UPDATED
PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 5:01 am 
Offline
Sons of Thunder
Sons of Thunder
User avatar

Joined: Fri Feb 13, 2015 9:36 am
Posts: 8895
Location: India
Religion: Catholic (Syro Malabar)
https://www.channel3000.com/news/politi ... 1106789279

Now priests might be made mandatory reporters in Wisconsin.

_________________
"May our tongues proclaim Your truth. May Your Cross be a protection for us as we let our tongues be turned into new harps and sing hymns with fiery lips"

-From the introduction to Our Father, "On the feasts of the Lord and other important feasts", Syro Malabar rite


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: CA legislature targets seal of Confessional -UPDATED
PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:42 pm 
Offline
Citizen
Citizen

Joined: Thu Jan 11, 2007 12:21 pm
Posts: 317
Religion: Catholic
Church Affiliations: KoC
An out of the box question: Can (or should) a priest make it a requirement of penance to have the confessee seek out a support group or report to secular authorities for their penance? If they are truly penitent for the sin then accepting of the consequences seems natural. It is reminiscent of requiring public penance. Didn’t JPII say there is no such thing as a private sin somewhere? (yes yes I know he was talking about the effects of the sin not the sin itself).

I mean it is sort of similar to what happened with people who were excommunicated in the old days, their excommunication was reported to the secular authorities.

_________________
Will
(catchy phrase to be determined)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: CA legislature targets seal of Confessional -UPDATED
PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:18 pm 
Offline
Sons of Thunder
Sons of Thunder
User avatar

Joined: Fri Feb 13, 2015 9:36 am
Posts: 8895
Location: India
Religion: Catholic (Syro Malabar)
I'm not sure, so I'm open to correction: The priest can encourage the penitent to turn himself in, but cannot require it - The priest should absolve a penitent if he confesses and repents of his sins, no further conditions. Now, the priest may judge in a particular case that the penitent does not repent, and thus may (should) withhold absolution. At any rate, commanding/requiring the penitent to reveal his sins is betrayal just as the priest revealing it himself.

_________________
"May our tongues proclaim Your truth. May Your Cross be a protection for us as we let our tongues be turned into new harps and sing hymns with fiery lips"

-From the introduction to Our Father, "On the feasts of the Lord and other important feasts", Syro Malabar rite


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: CA legislature targets seal of Confessional -UPDATED
PostPosted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:56 am 
Offline
Citizen
Citizen

Joined: Thu Jan 11, 2007 12:21 pm
Posts: 317
Religion: Catholic
Church Affiliations: KoC
Jack3 wrote:
At any rate, commanding/requiring the penitent to reveal his sins is betrayal just as the priest revealing it himself.


Betrayal? I cannot see it as a betrayal.

I believe setting any penance is an automatic condition of withholding absolution, if you don’t do the penance the absolution did not take place.

Besides, I thought one of the saints that could see the state of people’s souls in confessions did withhold absolution quite often?

_________________
Will
(catchy phrase to be determined)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: CA legislature targets seal of Confessional -UPDATED
PostPosted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:47 am 
Offline
Jedi Master
Jedi Master
User avatar

Joined: Tue Dec 31, 2002 9:55 am
Posts: 81274
Location: 1.5532386636 radians
Religion: Catholic
Church Affiliations: 4th Degree KofC
A priest can't order a penitent to turn himself in as a condition for absolution.

_________________
Nos autem in nomine Domini Dei nostri

Need something to read?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: CA legislature targets seal of Confessional -UPDATED
PostPosted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 1:42 pm 
Offline
Citizen
Citizen

Joined: Thu Jan 11, 2007 12:21 pm
Posts: 317
Religion: Catholic
Church Affiliations: KoC
Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
A priest can't order a penitent to turn himself in as a condition for absolution.


Obi, What are the "upper limits" of penance currently? Is it prayers, fasting, joining a support group?

_________________
Will
(catchy phrase to be determined)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: CA legislature targets seal of Confessional -UPDATED
PostPosted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:35 pm 
Offline
Sons of Thunder
Sons of Thunder
User avatar

Joined: Fri Feb 13, 2015 9:36 am
Posts: 8895
Location: India
Religion: Catholic (Syro Malabar)
I don't think there are upper limits imposed by law. If it's too hard, you can always ask the priest for another one.

_________________
"May our tongues proclaim Your truth. May Your Cross be a protection for us as we let our tongues be turned into new harps and sing hymns with fiery lips"

-From the introduction to Our Father, "On the feasts of the Lord and other important feasts", Syro Malabar rite


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: CA legislature targets seal of Confessional -UPDATED
PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:08 pm 
Offline
Prodigal Son of Thunder
Prodigal Son of Thunder
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 23, 2002 10:54 am
Posts: 39967
Location: Ithilien
Religion: Dunedain Catholic
Church Affiliations: AWC, CSB, UIGSE-FSE (FNE)
Will wrote:
I believe setting any penance is an automatic condition of withholding absolution, if you don’t do the penance the absolution did not take place.

Nope, the absolution absolutely does not depend on whether or not you do the penance.

_________________
Formerly Bagheera

"Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the King." (1 Peter 2:17)
Federation of North-American Explorers - North Star Group - How You Can Help


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: CA legislature targets seal of Confessional -UPDATED
PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:09 pm 
Offline
Prodigal Son of Thunder
Prodigal Son of Thunder
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 23, 2002 10:54 am
Posts: 39967
Location: Ithilien
Religion: Dunedain Catholic
Church Affiliations: AWC, CSB, UIGSE-FSE (FNE)
Will wrote:
Obi, What are the "upper limits" of penance currently? Is it prayers, fasting, joining a support group?

Absolution is effected immediately by the words of absolution (assuming the penitent is properly disposed). It's not contingent on doing the assigned penance.

_________________
Formerly Bagheera

"Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the King." (1 Peter 2:17)
Federation of North-American Explorers - North Star Group - How You Can Help


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: CA legislature targets seal of Confessional -UPDATED
PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:26 pm 
Offline
Jedi Master
Jedi Master
User avatar

Joined: Tue Dec 31, 2002 9:55 am
Posts: 81274
Location: 1.5532386636 radians
Religion: Catholic
Church Affiliations: 4th Degree KofC
Will wrote:
Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
A priest can't order a penitent to turn himself in as a condition for absolution.


Obi, What are the "upper limits" of penance currently? Is it prayers, fasting, joining a support group?

There is nothing formal, but the priest can't make a penitent manifest the state of hi conscience, so (for example) joining a support group would be out. That's nothing new.

_________________
Nos autem in nomine Domini Dei nostri

Need something to read?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: CA legislature targets seal of Confessional -UPDATED
PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:44 pm 
Offline
Citizen
Citizen

Joined: Thu Jan 11, 2007 12:21 pm
Posts: 317
Religion: Catholic
Church Affiliations: KoC
Obi, Peregrinator
Ok thanks.

_________________
Will
(catchy phrase to be determined)


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic Page 3 of 3   [ 57 posts ]   Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


Jump to:  
cron