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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2019 5:37 am 
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Following February’s Vatican summit to address the Church’s fight against clerical sexual abuse, Pope Francis released a new law on Thursday making it mandatory for all clerics and members of religious orders to report cases of clerical sexual abuse to Church authorities, including when committed by bishops or cardinals.

“It is good that procedures be universally adopted to prevent and combat these crimes that betray the trust of the faithful,” the document signed - by Pope Francis on May 7th - says.

The title of the document- technically a motu proprio, meaning a change to Church law under the pope’s authority - is Vos estis lux mundi, “You are the light of the world.” The document opens with that phrase, and the following line completes a quote from the Gospel of Matthew: “A town built on a hill cannot be hidden.”

The motu proprio will come into effect June 1, 2019.

It regulates how Church representatives are to respond when dealing with any crimes against the sixth Commandment: forcing someone through violence or abuse of authority to perform sexual acts; performing sexual acts with a minor or a vulnerable person; and the production, exhibition, possession or distribution of child pornography.

Among other things, the new law stipulates that:

Every diocese in the world must have a “system for reporting” by June 1, 2020 and notify the Vatican’s representative on the country that the system has been put in place.
All priests and members of religious orders are to report cases of sexual abuse and cover up to Church authorities, but they must follow local law when it comes to reporting to civil authorities.
Lay experts may be involved in the Church’s investigation of any allegation made against a priest, male or female religious, deacons, bishops and cardinals.
Reporting of crimes and cover-ups follows the Church’s hierarchical structure.
Abuse or cover up by bishops must be brought to the attention of Metropolitan archbishops, but in case the Metropolitan is accused of abuse (as for instance would have been the case of former Cardinal Theodore McCarrick), reporting can be done directly to the Holy See through the papal representative in the country. If the person accused is the nuncio, the allegation must be sent directly to the Vatican’s Secretariat of State.
The person who reports a case of abuse or cover-up must be protected, and they cannot be obliged to keep silent regarding the content of any report they file.
The person under investigation enjoys the presumption of innocence.”
Bishops’ conferences are to create a “common fund” to help finance the investigation of allegations.

The motu proprio is also designed to address the cover-up of clerical sexual abuse, “consisting of actions or omissions intended to interfere with or avoid civil investigations or canonical investigations, whether administrative or penal, against a cleric or a religious regarding” these crimes.

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 Post subject: Re: Pope issues global standards on sexual abuse investigati
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If I understand this correctly, there is no requirement to report the allegation of abuse to civil authorities. Investigating oneself has not worked for the Church.

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 Post subject: Re: Pope issues global standards on sexual abuse investigati
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If I understand this correctly, there is no requirement to report the allegation of abuse to civil authorities. Investigating oneself has not worked for the Church.

It asks civil law to be complied with though.

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Abuse or cover up by bishops must be brought to the attention of Metropolitan archbishops, but in case the Metropolitan is accused of abuse (as for instance would have been the case of former Cardinal Theodore McCarrick), reporting can be done directly to the Holy See through the papal representative in the country. If the person accused is the nuncio, the allegation must be sent directly to the Vatican’s Secretariat of State.

Not "would have been the case", but "was the case".

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 Post subject: Re: Pope issues global standards on sexual abuse investigati
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If I understand this correctly, there is no requirement to report the allegation of abuse to civil authorities. Investigating oneself has not worked for the Church.

It asks civil law to be complied with though.

I would think that, in keeping with civil law, reporting to civil authorities along with Church authorities should be required to protect the faithful.

Seems to me relying on the Chruch to police itself has been the problem.

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The document explicitly says that if mandatory reporting is in the law of the land, then the reporting is required.

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The document explicitly says that if mandatory reporting is in the law of the land, then the reporting is required.

Can you provide such a quote from the document?

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So, 1HCaAC, should just any accusation -- regardless of whether it is credible or not -- against a priest in the underground Chinese church be reported directly to the Chinese authorities?

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China is not the problem in this situation.

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1HCaAC wrote:
Jack3 wrote:
The document explicitly says that if mandatory reporting is in the law of the land, then the reporting is required.

Can you provide such a quote from the document?

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Art. 19 – Compliance with state laws
These norms apply without prejudice to the rights and obligations established in each place by state laws, particularly those concerning any reporting obligations to the competent civil authorities
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China is not the problem in this situation.

China is the state for the underground Church there.

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China is not a "competent" civil authority.

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China is not a "competent" civil authority.

Leaving aside the question of whether it actually is (but why wouldn't it be?), the Holy See believes that it is, and that is what is important in this case.

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 Post subject: Re: Pope issues global standards on sexual abuse investigati
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China is not a "competent" civil authority.

Leaving aside the question of whether it actually is (but why wouldn't it be?), the Holy See believes that it is, and that is what is important in this case.

If I understand correctly, the Chinese government does not allow the practice of the Catholic Faith. Thus it is not a good, as in moral,or just government. So why would such a government give a care about the conduct of Cathloic Priests other than to round them up and imprison them?

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