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SEVEN American sailors are reportedly missing after a Navy destroyer collided with a container ship off the coast of Japan early this morning.
The USS Fitzgerald was involved in an accident with a Philippine-flagged merchant vessel 56 nautical miles southwest of Yokosuka, at about 2.30am local time (3.30am AEST).

Japanese broadcaster NHK quotes the Coast Guard as reporting seven US crew missing and at least one injured in the wake of the incident.
The US Military confirmed there were injuries but couldn’t detail to what extent.

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The seven U.S. sailors who were unaccounted for after a Navy destroyer collided with a merchant ship off the coast of Japan on Saturday have been found dead.

The U.S. Navy said Saturday night that the crew members were found in a flooded compartment of the USS Fitzgerald, and are being taken to Naval Hospital Yokosuka to be identified.

"The families are being notified and being provided the support they need during this difficult time," the Navy said in a statement. "The names of the Sailors will be released after all notifications are made."

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Someone explain to me how this happens...with today's technology....how does this happen?


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Someone explain to me how this happens...with today's technology....how does this happen?


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The board of inquiry, and the very likely subsequent court martial, will be asking that question too.

http://www.npr.org/2017/06/19/533432845 ... ion-happen

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Maybe they were all checking facebook. Or otherwise negligent. The people at the helms, that is.

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GKC wrote:
St Veronica wrote:
Someone explain to me how this happens...with today's technology....how does this happen?


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The board of inquiry, and the very likely subsequent court martial, will be asking that question too.

http://www.npr.org/2017/06/19/533432845 ... ion-happen



That's for sure..someone needs to explain it to the family of the 7 dead service members.


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Someone explain to me how this happens...with today's technology....how does this happen?


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Maybe they were all checking facebook. Or otherwise negligent. The people at the helms, that is.


Then multiple courts-martial would be indicated. The Captain needs to go if, as I understand it, the collision occurred in daylight in open and quiet seas. And, maybe, more.

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Highlander wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
St Veronica wrote:
Someone explain to me how this happens...with today's technology....how does this happen?


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Maybe they were all checking facebook. Or otherwise negligent. The people at the helms, that is.


Then multiple courts-martial would be indicated. The Captain needs to go if, as I understand it, the collision occurred in daylight in open and quiet seas. And, maybe, more.



Link I gave says 0230L. Update says Japanese say 0130L. Navy says the later time, maybe 0225. Traffic not stated, weather clear, heavily traveled area for shipping. So go the reports. More will follow, without doubt. Like, Art. 110, possibly.

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I read 2:30 AM ....so?


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I read 2:30 AM ....so?


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If so, dark.

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http://www.jordanucmjlaw.com/Articles/Article-110-Improper-Hazarding-of-Vessel.aspx



The title of 110 always intrigued me. As if there was a proper method of hazarding a vessel.

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Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
In a combat situation?


Then the charge might be wrongfully hazarding, which would have to be proven, as to the actual situation, thus possibly resulting in a verdict of rightfully hazarding, sort of. Could be, I guess. Still like the title.

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GKC wrote:
Highlander wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
St Veronica wrote:
Someone explain to me how this happens...with today's technology....how does this happen?


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Maybe they were all checking facebook. Or otherwise negligent. The people at the helms, that is.


Then multiple courts-martial would be indicated. The Captain needs to go if, as I understand it, the collision occurred in daylight in open and quiet seas. And, maybe, more.



Link I gave says 0230L. Update says Japanese say 0130L. Navy says the later time, maybe 0225. Traffic not stated, weather clear, heavily traveled area for shipping. So go the reports. More will follow, without doubt. Like, Art. 110, possibly.


Additional clarification appreciated.

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Highlander wrote:
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Highlander wrote:
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St Veronica wrote:
Someone explain to me how this happens...with today's technology....how does this happen?


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Maybe they were all checking facebook. Or otherwise negligent. The people at the helms, that is.


Then multiple courts-martial would be indicated. The Captain needs to go if, as I understand it, the collision occurred in daylight in open and quiet seas. And, maybe, more.



Link I gave says 0230L. Update says Japanese say 0130L. Navy says the later time, maybe 0225. Traffic not stated, weather clear, heavily traveled area for shipping. So go the reports. More will follow, without doubt. Like, Art. 110, possibly.


Additional clarification appreciated.


Just shedding a little light.

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In a combat situation?


Then the charge might be wrongfully hazarding, which would have to be proven, as to the actual situation, thus possibly resulting in a verdict of rightfully hazarding, sort of. Could be, I guess. Still like the title.


Collision? Under any but extraordinary circumstances? The verdict is probably foreordained.

The Captain is done for. And, the Officer of the Deck (assuming the Captain was not on the bridge). The Junior OOD, Conning Officer, boatswain's mate of the watch, quartermaster of the watch, and signalman of the watch are all probably at hazard.

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Highlander wrote:
GKC wrote:
Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
In a combat situation?


Then the charge might be wrongfully hazarding, which would have to be proven, as to the actual situation, thus possibly resulting in a verdict of rightfully hazarding, sort of. Could be, I guess. Still like the title.


Collision? Under any but extraordinary circumstances? The verdict is probably foreordained.

The Captain is done for. And, the Officer of the Deck (assuming the Captain was not on the bridge). The Junior OOD, Conning Officer, boatswain's mate of the watch, quartermaster of the watch, and signalman of the watch are all probably at hazard.


I agree, practically. But I was trying to think in Fr. Obi-Wan's terms - outside the box (or hull). Combat - desperate times need desperate measures. Fast ship going in harms way. A forlorn hope is all that there is. No chance if customary measures are followed. He who risks his life may save it. A Nelsonian approach is needed. Breaking the line. Hazarding a lee shore. Something daring, a dauntless, hopeless, heroic move, something Wrongfully Hazarding the ship, against all custom, rule, or other stuff. Because it is the only chance, else all is lost. Phooey on the torpedoes.

Thus, my imagination.

But somebody's toast, here. Captain was not on bridge, per reports.

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