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 Post subject: Re: Response to an Orthodox Critic on Hell and the Fathers
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:52 pm 
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If God does not condemn, then how can human beings do do? How can we justify sending a mass shooter to prison when God himself cares so little about what he did that the guy is just going to go straight to heaven anyway? Clearly, the reason why God does not punish anyone is that nothing human beings do are really all that bad.


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"For we must all be manifested before the judgment seat of Christ, that every one may receive the proper things of the body, according as he hath done, whether it be good or evil."
[2 Corinthians 5:10]

"The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly from temptation, but to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be tormented."
[2 Peter 2:9]


Signum, I'm not sure why you posted those two verses, but obviously, it should be clear to everyone, that no one here, neither I nor Light Of The East nor anyone, disputes that the "unjust" will be "tormented".


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 Post subject: Re: Response to an Orthodox Critic on Hell and the Fathers
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 1:36 pm 
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Signum Crucis wrote:
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Condemning people to eternal inescapable torment in hell is not merciful, and therefore impossible for an infinitely merciful God. It's an impossible contradiction.


You have some serious issues with God's Word.

Which translation of "God's Word"?

The Douay-Rheims translation in which the word "Hell" appears 110 times?

Or the Authorized King James Version in which the word "Hell" appears 54 times?

Or the New King James Version in which the word "Hell" appears 32 times?

Or the New Living Translation in which the word "Hell" appears 17 times?

Or the New International Version in which the word "Hell" appears 13 times?

Or the New American Bible (1970) in which the word "Hell" does not appear at all?

Or the Christian Bible (1991) in which the word "Hell" does not appear at all?

Or the New American Bible Revised Edition (NABRE) in which the word "Hell" does not appear at all?

Or Fenton's Holy Bible In Modern English (1903) in which the word "Hell" does not appear at all?

Or the Restoration Of Sacred Name Bible (1976) in which the word "Hell" does not appear at all?

Or the World English Bible in which the word "Hell" does not appear at all?

Or the Jewish Publication Society Bible Old Testament (1917) in which the word "Hell" does not appear at all?

Or the Orthodox Jewish Brit Chadasha New Testament in which the word "Hell" does not appear at all?

Or the Original Bible Project in which the word "Hell" does not appear at all?

Or Young's Literal Translation (1891) in which the word "Hell" does not appear at all?

Which of those translations of "God's Word" are you saying I "have some serious issues with", Signum?


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 Post subject: Re: Response to an Orthodox Critic on Hell and the Fathers
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:06 pm 
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Denise Dee wrote:

Which of those translations of "God's Word" are you saying I "have some serious issues with", Signum?


I didn't say you have an issue with any translation or the word hell.

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 Post subject: Re: Response to an Orthodox Critic on Hell and the Fathers
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:24 pm 
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You might also look up synonyms for ‘hell’: Gehenna, Sheol, etc. according to my French Thésaurus Larousse.

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 Post subject: Re: Response to an Orthodox Critic on Hell and the Fathers
PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 6:32 am 
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I was speaking w/someone the other day about "annihilationism", and how this can not be a good at all. True, those in Hell would want relief, rest and peace, but annihilation is none of those things, since nothing can be experienced in non existence.

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