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So, I'm walking home, and suddenly it pops into my head to figure out how to explain that love is not merely feeling/emotion without needing to bring God/theology into the argument.

Not that I am against using God normally... but I think much of creation is evidence to Him and Truth. And so if love is more than a feeling, I should be able to demonstrate such without just saying "God is love, so there!" or the like.

I was dabbling a bit with arguments revolving around one person sacrificing for another (even, perhaps, for someone they may not like)... and that selflessness exists. But I kept spinning arguments around in my head without getting very far.

So, take a shot... Is love more than a feeling?

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So, I'm walking home, and suddenly it pops into my head to figure out how to explain that love is not merely feeling/emotion without needing to bring God/theology into the argument.

Not that I am against using God normally... but I think much of creation is evidence to Him and Truth. And so if love is more than a feeling, I should be able to demonstrate such without just saying "God is love, so there!" or the like.

I was dabbling a bit with arguments revolving around one person sacrificing for another (even, perhaps, for someone they may not like)... and that selflessness exists. But I kept spinning arguments around in my head without getting very far.

So, take a shot... Is love more than a feeling?


Oh boy... I wish I could type fast and copy an entire chapter out of an ethics book I have... I really does a good job of explaining feelings v emotions v judgements etc... hmmm... Let me look around... Otherwise I will try to sumarize in my own words for you...

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I looked out this morning and the sun was gone
Turned on some music to start my day
I lost myself in a familiar song
I closed my eyes and I slipped away

It’s more than a feeling, when I hear that old song they used to play (more than a feeling)
I begin dreaming (more than a feeling)
’till I see marianne walk away
I see my marianne walkin’ away

So many people have come and gone
Their faces fade as the years go by
Yet I still recall as I wander on
As clear as the sun in the summer sky

It’s more than a feeling, when I hear that old song they used to play (more than a feeling)
I begin dreaming (more than a feeling)
’till I see marianne walk away
I see my marianne walkin’ away

When I’m tired and thinking cold
I hide in my music, forget the day
And dream of a girl I used to know
I closed my eyes and she slipped away
She slipped awa y. she slipped away.

It’s more than a feeling, when I hear that old song they used to play (more than a feeling)
I begin dreaming (more than a feeling)
’till I see marianne walk away
I see my marianne walkin’ away

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I can't stop this feeling
Deep inside of me.
Girl you just don't realize
What you do to me.
When you hold me in your arms so tight
You let me know everything's alright.

I, I'm hooked on a feeling.
High on believing
That you're in love with me.

Lips are sweet as candy
The taste stays on my mind.
Girl you keep me thirsty for
Another cup of wine.
I got it bad for you girl,
But I don't need a cure.
I'll just stay addicted and hope I can endure.
All the good love, when we're all alone.
Keep it up girl, yeah you turn me on.

I, I'm hooked on a feeling.
High on believing
That you're in love with me.

I, I'm hooked on a feeling.
I'm high on believing
That you're in love with me.

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Max Majestic wrote:
I looked out this morning and the sun was gone
Turned on some music to start my day
I lost myself in a familiar song
I closed my eyes and I slipped away

It’s more than a feeling, when I hear that old song they used to play (more than a feeling)
I begin dreaming (more than a feeling)
’till I see marianne walk away
I see my marianne walkin’ away

So many people have come and gone
Their faces fade as the years go by
Yet I still recall as I wander on
As clear as the sun in the summer sky

It’s more than a feeling, when I hear that old song they used to play (more than a feeling)
I begin dreaming (more than a feeling)
’till I see marianne walk away
I see my marianne walkin’ away

When I’m tired and thinking cold
I hide in my music, forget the day
And dream of a girl I used to know
I closed my eyes and she slipped away
She slipped awa y. she slipped away.

It’s more than a feeling, when I hear that old song they used to play (more than a feeling)
I begin dreaming (more than a feeling)
’till I see marianne walk away
I see my marianne walkin’ away


How about some glitter for your avatar Max? :D

Since I saw this thread title, I can't get that song out of my mind.

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How about some glitter for your avatar Max? :D

Since I saw this thread title, I can't get that song out of my mind.



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Hope
My Heart has Hope of a life free and strong.
It took such a long time for it to come along
Lessons learned, from the past
Seem to fade, pain wasn't meant to last.
HOPE is here and Oh so clear
Where I go, doesn't matter anymore.
I have Hope, that's all I need.
How could it be wrong to be Free and Strong.
People ask me every day, "" Don't you regret
those years along the way?""
To them I say, ""I needed those years to
Bring me here today.""
Hope is here and Oh so clear.
Where I go doesn't matter anymore.
I have hope, that's all I need.
How could it be wrong to be free and Strong.

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Copyright ©2005 Deborah Bernaerts


I Wondered
I wondered is there anyone out there
Anyone who can ease all my fears
Take away all my cares
Help me through the hard times
Dry up the many tears I shed
And to guide me through the pain
I wondered is there anyone out there
Able to walk in my shoes if need be
To hold my body up when I am tired
Forgive me even when I cannot forgive myself
Show me the right path when I am lost
Help me to find the answers that evade my mind
Finally, teach me the true meaning of LOVE
Then one day in a rush so calm and clear
I realized there was nothing to wonder about anymore
For I had this all along
It was God that saved me and opened my soul


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Copyright ©2005 Deborah Marie Bernaerts


I highly doubt you can explain the True Meaning of Love and it's perfect meaning without bringing the Lord into it .... Because it most certainly is more than a feeling ... It is Completion

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Well, now that the thread is derailed... :hijacked

I've been hearing More Than A Feeling tons in the office, because my company is developing this game.

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tomato moss wrote:
I was dabbling a bit with arguments revolving around one person sacrificing for another (even, perhaps, for someone they may not like)... and that selflessness exists. But I kept spinning arguments around in my head without getting very far.

So, take a shot... Is love more than a feeling?


Yes, much more.... And, you were on the right track about selflessness and sacrificing for others.

Love is patient
love is kind
It does not envy
it does not boast
it is not proud
it is not rude
it is not self-seeking
it is not easily angered
it keeps no record of wrongs
Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth
It always protects
always trusts
always hopes
always perseveres
Love never fails.


I don't think any of these descriptions are merely feelings, are they? They are actions that take effort, and prove the love.

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That's fine, walking4faith. But if you look in my original post, I was looking for non-theological arguments, and quoting the Bible kinda falls into that category.

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I highly doubt you can explain the True Meaning of Love and it's perfect meaning without bringing the Lord into it .... Because it most certainly is more than a feeling ... It is Completion


I agree... but I wasn't asking for the true meaning of love. I was asking simply for ways to demonstrate that it's more than a feeling...

Oops, there's the song again... :D

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Love is an emotion and a decision. You can feel love by loving someone or by being loved. You can decide to love someone even when they are being unlovable.....hope this makes sense and helps.

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Sorry, Gospel, it doesn't. It answers a different question than the one I asked.

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tomato moss wrote:
So, take a shot... Is love more than a feeling?


In what context?

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Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
tomato moss wrote:
So, take a shot... Is love more than a feeling?


In what context?


Would it matter? If it does, then pick an example and let's go with that.

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tomato moss wrote:
That's fine, walking4faith. But if you look in my original post, I was looking for non-theological arguments, and quoting the Bible kinda falls into that category.


If you look at what is listed, though, none of it has to do with theology.

If I asked some of my non-Christian friends to make a list of what love would look like, I'd think they would come up with a very similar list. It isn't tied to believing in God or not. It's tied to what love looks like. It manifests in the same way over the world. I thought that was what you were "walking, thinking about"?


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Hmm, point taken, although still not exactly what I was seeking. (Which would be because my initial question was a bit vague, I guess.)

That's a list of characteristics of love, not particularly a logical demonstration that love is more than mere emotion. But looking at the list does sorta stir up the brain cells a bit towards an argument.

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So, take a shot... Is love more than a feeling?


In what context?


Would it matter? If it does, then pick an example and let's go with that.


Are we talking about "I love ice cream" or "Love your neighbor as yourself"? Or something else?

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Context: Person A loves person B.

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Love motivates us to be unselfish. This is a non-emotional proof of love.

If one says "I love you" but refuses to be unselfish, you have reason to doubt the words.

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