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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 4:03 pm 
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The bible is inerrant.........Am I to believe that dragons exist or did exist. What does the exegesis crowd tell us about dragons.


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Symbolism. A dragon may represent the Devil, Satan or forces of the Evil trying to conquer this World.

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Where do dragons appear in Scripture outside of apocalypytic literature (where it is clear that they are symbolic)?


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Swag, if you are going to survive here, you are going to have to come to terms with one very important fact: we are CATHOLICS, not fundamentalists.

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And please, please, please provide citations for comments you make.


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Catholic Cadet wrote:
Where do dragons appear in Scripture outside of apocalypytic literature (where it is clear that they are symbolic)?


The Book of Daniel, I believe.

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There are several more--10 or so, to be a little more precise. As far as I can tell, they fall into three categories:

* metaphors
* large sea creatures
* synonym for serpents

That's in the KJV. The RSV has basically 5, all either referring to the whale usage or used as a metaphorical expression.

(Daniel is apocalyptic, BTW, but it's also dragon-free, at least in the above two translations.)

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Daniel 14:22 And there was a great dragon in that place, and the Babylonians worshipped him.

23 And the king said to Daniel: Behold, thou canst not say now, that this is not a living God: adore him, therefore.

24 And Daniel said: I adore the Lord, my God: for he is the living God: but that is no living God.

25 But give me leave, O king, and I will kill this dragon without sword or club. And the king said, I give thee leave.

26 Then Daniel took pitch, and fat, and hair, and boiled them together: and he made lumps, and put them into the dragon's mouth, and the dragon burst asunder. And he said: Behold him whom you worship.

27 And when the Babylonians had heard this, they took great indignation: and being gathered together against the king, they said: The king is become a Jew. He hath destroyed Bel, he hath killed the dragon, and he hath put the priests to death.

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Douay-Rheims.

Btw, this is a question I brought up a while back.

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Silly Protestant software :oops:

It looks like Bibleworks doesn't have the deutrocanonicals in their RSV, and this portion of Daniel is deuterocanonical.

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The Book of Daniel, I believe.


While that dragon isn't symbolic (though it's merely an idol, and not a real one), Daniel is apocalyptic literature :P


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Here's the link to ScripTours DRV Bible.

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Catholic Cadet wrote:
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The Book of Daniel, I believe.


While that dragon isn't symbolic (though it's merely an idol, and not a real one), Daniel is apocalyptic literature :P


You can't kill an idol. The opening of this chapter of Daniel says it's a great serpent. It was a living creature.

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Daniel told the king he would kill the dragon without sword or club. If it were merely an idol, the king would not have been skeptical that Daniel could do it.

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Many places, not just Chrsitian either, have a seprent as their major enemy too. I odn' tknow if its a dragon Chinese and Celts were big on dragons too.

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The dragon isn't evil in Chinese culture. I was born in the Year of the Dragon. That might be why some people refer to me as The Dragon Lady behind my back. :wink:

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I will provide citation in the future.


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Signum Crucis wrote:
The dragon isn't evil in Chinese culture. I was born in the Year of the Dragon. That might be why some people refer to me as The Dragon Lady behind my back. :wink:

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Ummm...no... that is not why... :P

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It helps to give us something to go on in making replies, swag. The poster asking for citation wasn't being mean to you. Our board rules ask that people give citations and other identifying information when asking questions or making charges, if they are able to provide them. If not, then we are most willing to help research the topic in question.

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Signum Crucis wrote:
The dragon isn't evil in Chinese culture. I was born in the Year of the Dragon. That might be why some people refer to me as The Dragon Lady behind my back. :wink:

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Uh...Siggy we need to talk :shock:


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