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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 10:48 am 
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It's 38 volumes of Patristics. It's also very expensive.

Is it worth it? Can I get a review? Are there better collections out there? What's missing and where is the best place to fill in those gaps?


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I believe that Christianbook.com had this set at a ridiculously low price at one time. I don't know if they still do.

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I've got *one* of the volumes.

You'll get all the writings on this site: http://www.ccel.org/fathers2/

It's basically the most complete set you'll find in English.

Of course, there are always untranslated letters and stuff like that. And believe me, it's quite frustrating to find NO translation for a doctrinal letter of Augustine.

As Bonaventure said, this is the best price: http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&p=1017523&item_no=30815

All I say is, if I had a credit card and 250$ US, I would buy that set immediately.

Be warned, though, some of the introductions are painfully Protestant.


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Also note that it's laced with Protestant footnotes.

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I suppose that there is no comparable Catholic collection, then? That's sort of let-down. I've never even been able to understand how a Protestant can read the Church Fathers honestly. I've read a few commentaries and they are all the same:

"While St. _____ seems to be saying X, here is why he is really saying Y . . ."


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I suppose that there is no comparable Catholic collection, then?


The Catholic edition is even more complete, but its much more expensive, in Latin, and not in book form anymore (as it's not in print).

http://pld.chadwyck.co.uk/


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Migne is out of date in some places as older and better manuscripts have come to life. That being said, I'd like to see the whole thing on line for free, but that would require a massive organized effort that would make the assembly of the Catholic Encylopedia at NewAdvent look small.

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Migne is out of date in some places as older and better manuscripts have come to life.


The only problem is, no one has been willing to do what Migne did as it's a lot of work.


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Yup. No one can take away his credit for doing a darn good job with the resources available.

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Although the footnotes are protestant, I don't believe that there is anything wrong with the text....I mean deliberately wrong.

I have the Gregory of Nyssa volume and the Saint Augustine De Trinitate volume.

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I suppose that there is no comparable Catholic collection, then? That's sort of let-down. I've never even been able to understand how a Protestant can read the Church Fathers honestly. I've read a few commentaries and they are all the same:

"While St. _____ seems to be saying X, here is why he is really saying Y . . ."


There are many prominant protestants who write about the Church Fathers or who work on these projects for the reason you will see in their footnotes and prefaces.... namely, to explain away why the early Church was so darned Catholic. I use the online version for my research and sometimes I am really frustrated by the commentary.

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I believe that Christianbook.com had this set at a ridiculously low price at one time. I don't know if they still do.


I bought it a while back.

$199.00

Worth every penny...

As far at the "38 vol. set". Different people have published it over the years... it is the same...

To buy every volume in the set individually would cost thousands. It is well worth it.

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Also note that it's laced with Protestant footnotes.


Honestly, I don't think that makes any difference.

The introductions are all protestant...

I actually kind of like that fact.

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We have at least one wholse set of Patrologia Latina at my college...I should peruse it if I can ever get back in the rare books room...

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We have the PL and PG, and not in the rare books, either!

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We have the PL and PG, and not in the rare books, either!

well, these are 19th century copies I think :wink:

We also have some other interesting books and things (like one of the Gutenbergs...)

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We have PL (at Regent College). The only problem is that its moudly and it's been rebound so many times that the covers are a strange sort of cardboard.

Now the Catholic college on campus, has something by Mohler. It's called Patrologie (French), but the rest of the title is in German!


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You can get the logos edition of the church fathers on CD the catholic edition is without the protestant commentary but it doesn't have catholic commentary either. Words speak for themselves as it should be.

Paulist Press puts out an excellent church fathers series called Ancient Christian Writers - it is by no means complete but the most popular writings of the fathers are included with insightful catholic commentary.

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