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 Post subject: Charity and hate. So PED ....
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BS, and stupid too. Love or more properly termed, charity, is an act of the will. Not some "feeling". I love my neighbour not in an emotional sense (indeed I dislike many of my neighbours), but yet I love those I dislike by an act of the will because I love God. Love simply put is the willing of the good. When we love another (agape) we will the other's good.

The Angelic Doctor nicely points out that charity (love) is friendship
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I answer that, According to the Philosopher (Ethic. viii, 2,3) not every love has the character of friendship, but that love which is together with benevolence, when, to wit, we love someone so as to wish good to him. If, however, we do not wish good to what we love, but wish its good for ourselves, (thus we are said to love wine, or a horse, or the like), it is love not of friendship, but of a kind of concupiscence. For it would be absurd to speak of having friendship for wine or for a horse


The intellect is what is to guide us as rational creatures. The moment we try putting feelings above or even on par with reason, we wound our free will.


So PED, If I truly hate someone’s guts to the point that I can not bring myself to be near him/her I could still be charitable to him/her by wishing good things about him/her (wishing like I meant it of course)?


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I'm not PED but...

Feelings are passive and reactive and we cannot control them at will. So if you mean the feeling of hate, then it is not morally wrong or right to feel that way. Feelings are never morally right or wrong but only actions (interior actions or exterior).

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bonaventure wrote:
I'm not PED but...

Feelings are passive and reactive and we cannot control them at will. So if you mean the feeling of hate, then it is not morally wrong or right to feel that way. Feelings are never morally right or wrong but only actions (interior actions or exterior).

Well feelings can be wrong if you "nurse them"... but as I said before, there is nothing wrong in itself in disliking someone even beyond the level of feeling. I can dislike someone who has a bad character. I dislike John Kerry for example. Hatred on the other hand is, properly speaking, to will the ill of the other and is therefore sinful when one wills it or nurses feelings of hatred... a longing for sin is a sin.

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Pro Ecclesia Dei wrote:
bonaventure wrote:
I'm not PED but...

Feelings are passive and reactive and we cannot control them at will. So if you mean the feeling of hate, then it is not morally wrong or right to feel that way. Feelings are never morally right or wrong but only actions (interior actions or exterior).

Well feelings can be wrong if you "nurse them"... but as I said before, there is nothing wrong in itself in disliking someone even beyond the level of feeling. I can dislike someone who has a bad character. I dislike John Kerry for example. Hatred on the other hand is, properly speaking, to will the ill of the other and is therefore sinful when one wills it or nurses feelings of hatred... a longing for sin is a sin.


If you "nurse" the feelings, it is the nursing that is wrong and not the feeling. Only acts of the will are morally right or wrong. Even when we give in to a feeling, it is the act of giving into it which is right or wrong.

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Furthermore, you can dislike someone and still love the person. I dislike my SIL, for example, but still pray for her and love her as a child of God.

I do not nurse the feelings or even dwell on them too much.


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All this explanations open a whole new world to me. Since I always thought that being charitable to a person would mean that you have to be a goody two shoes with the person you really dislike (my 4th grade teacher comes to mind immediately).


This is great! It takes quite a heavy burden from me. Since I thought that if I don't act nice and jolly to a person that I really dislike then I have broken the second greatest commandmend.


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My children were abused and i find forgiveness of the abuser allows me to stand closer to Christ. i'm obedient and forgive as i have been forgiven. i Love them because i want them to be united to Christ and avoid hell. Jesus died for their sins and who am i that i would hold accountable those whom Christ has forgiven.
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