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 Post subject: Psychology of a Saint: 3-Stage conversion?
PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 9:56 pm 
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Hi,

I'm wondering if anyone could help me in this. I have heard somewhere that basically every canonized saint of the Church has undergone a similar, three-stage conversion process in the course of their spiritual life. I'm having trouble remembering the details, but it seems that each stage begins with a dark period or trial(something like the dark night of the soul) followed by a period of light and grace that is merited by the suffering of the dark trial.

If memory serves me correctly, the first stage is BEGINNER, where the saint no longer commits mortal sins or deliberate venial sins, but still thinks in terms of parables.

The next step, if I can remember correctly, was the ADEPT stage. I briefly recall that the saint will actually think it is receiving revelations but it hasn't the level of holiness for them.

Finally, the last stage I think was PERFECTION, where now the saint is in total union with God and instead of parables, thinks only in terms of the Passion and suffering of the Cross and Christ. I briefly recall that in this last stage, they go into martyrdom.

Does anyone have any information about where I could learn about this, but not in a book because I can't afford it, I'm poor.

God Bless you all,
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I believe that this is what you are looking for.

This article will also be helpful, although I don't know if it goes into much not covered by the other one.

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Thank you, that was helpful.

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You might also pick up the "Three Conversions in the Spiritual Life". Great small book for $7 new

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 12:24 pm 
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Pro Ecclesia Dei wrote:
You might also pick up the "Three Conversions in the Spiritual Life". Great small book for $7 new


Thank you for the lead, PED. BTW, where might I pick that up? Could I get it from All Catholic Books, or whatever it's called? Or maybe TAN has it?

I'm also wondering if there's not a parallel between this individual way of the saint and the history of the Church? The Book of Rev has a three-part structure, just like the Ages of Sanctity, in the Three Sevens: the Seven Seals, the Seven Trumpets, and the Seven Bowls. So I'm wondering if perhaps the Church must likewise pass through three ages of her history?

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TAN publishes it so AllcatholicBooks probably carries it. It is a condensed form of the "The Three Ages of the Spiritual Life" by the same author.

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