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PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 1:10 pm 
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Should foot washing be open to all of the laity or just reserved for men?


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Who's feet did Jesus wash?

What were they?


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St Veronica wrote:
Who's feet did Jesus wash?

What were they?


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Does this have to be a question and answer session Veronica? This is for friendly debate. Tell us how you feel.


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You asked...I responded with how I feel.

Who's feet did Jesus wash? What were they?



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men... only......period...........................

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Here is the reference to Bishop Gregory...and feet washing...

http://bettnet.dyndns.org/blog/comments ... 80_0_1_0_C


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Well I think that the men having their feet washed are supposed to symbolize the apostles. The apostles were men, so it seems to reason that only men would participate. If this were not an action that was supposed to symbolize the washing of the apostles feet, then maybe there could be some debate. But I just don't understand how women can represent an apostle.

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Gods response to men and women are different....................
Jesus asked Peter who do they say that I AM?
and to the woman at the well, He says... I AM He............ to one He challenges and to another He reveals. And lets face it.... the foot washing was to encourage them to become servants..................women have already learned that lesson.......we need no refresher course.............ergo..........only men NEED their feet washed.....

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unfortunately in looking for the particulars i found this

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The Roman Missal (Sacramentary, 1985) says:

Depending on pastoral circumstance, the washing of feet follows the homily. The men who have been chosen (viri selecti) are led by the ministers to chairs prepared at a suitable place. Then the priest (removing his chasuble if necessary) goes to each man . With the help of the ministers he pours water over each one's feet and dries them.



and at the bottom of the article , i found this :(

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In 2005, the Congregation of Divine Worship and Discipline of the Sacraments offered another clarification to bishops who requested, stating that it is up to the local custom and pastoral sensitivity of each bishop to allow women to participate in this ritual.


i can only assume the validity of this statement as they offered no cite so consequently, i therefore withdraw and apologize for my comment about Bishop Gregory's "leanings" as i was totally unaware that the CDW had issued this "clarification" ... and here i thought it was a USCCB thing

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Viri, btw, is non inclusive. It means men as in men (as opposed to an inclusive men, as in "For us men and our salvation" which is homo)

Certainly the rubrics forbid women having their feet washed (and the bishops who pretend differently are either lying or mistaken). Faithful servant, the CDW did no such thing. The CDW responded to a bishop by saying that only men could be used, and it was his astoral decision to make about what to do about the women, namely he could just not have the feet washing service.

Now whether women should or no is another matter. Since the men represent the apostles, and not just service to the community, I say no. If the symbolism is reduced to just serving the poor, then that is anoter matter

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thank you for that PED... i feel much better now...obviously the article i read and quoted contained an agenda... or they were just seriously confused :roll:

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faithfulservant wrote:
thank you for that PED... i feel much better now...obviously the article i read and quoted contained an agenda... or they were just seriously confused :roll:


Well, it has to do with +O'Malley (for lack of a better word) lying straight through his teeth

Read about it Here

''The Congregation [for Divine Worship] affirmed the liturgical requirement that only the feet of men be washed at the Holy Thursday ritual." However, the Congregation did ''provide for the archbishop to make a pastoral decision."

The pastoral decision has to do with the ceremony being optional. People just love spinning things though

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The Latin rubrics say men. Therefore only men should have their feets washed.

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When Catholics encounter Bible Christians who say their only rule of faith is the Bible (sola scriptura) and don't put much stock in Catholic Tradition-- should ask themselves if the ritual of washing of feet is practised in their church? And if the Bible Christian answers no-- then the Catholic should ask by what authority have they disregarded a clear command by our Lord to do so as He did?


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i think the thing that was the most scandalous concerning the Atlanta bishop's decision to either use the proper form (men only) or not have it part of the liturgy at all was the outrage expressed by all those who felt they had been deprived of their "right" :shock: to participate...resulting in a boycott led by those offended of the Holy Thursday services :roll:

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Catholic Maximus wrote:
Should foot washing be open to all of the laity or just reserved for men?


The foot washing example of Christ, in scripture is clear, that those who are the uppermost authority are servants are to wash the feet of the disciples. Not all washed feet but all at the table had their feet washed. Only one did the washing of the feet, He which was in authority and yet servant of all. That's the example of Christ.

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Catholic Maximus wrote:
Should foot washing be open to all of the laity or just reserved for men?


I just saw this thread. The answer is men only just as the Vatican has declared.


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If the washing of the feet is meant as a literal re-telling of the Christ/Apostles event then of course it should be men.

If there is a broader message of the Priest (and us) serving each other then men & women should be used.

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aussie_mal wrote:
If the washing of the feet is meant as a literal re-telling of the Christ/Apostles event then of course it should be men.

If there is a broader message of the Priest (and us) serving each other then men & women should be used.


The Church says men only, make of that as you will.

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