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 Post subject: Re: Deposing the Pope
PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:04 pm 
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Bishop Schneider has some things to say about this in his book Christus Vincit.


Excellent book. However it made (and makes) me feel guilty about a number of things that I’m not entirely sure I should feel guilty about.

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 Post subject: Re: Deposing the Pope
PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:07 pm 
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I think he's mostly right and always defensible, but I know what you mean.

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Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
I think he's mostly right and always defensible, but I know what you mean.


Any chance I can get a synopsis out of it? Still want to read the book.

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Dominic wrote:
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I think he's mostly right and always defensible, but I know what you mean.


Any chance I can get a synopsis out of it? Still want to read the book.


Big take aways (In no particular order):

1) The papacy has become too much of THE central figure of the Church....the general life and day to day “rule” of the Church used to be more about the Bishops than the Pope.
2) Communion in the hand is THE failing of the Church in the west and anywhere else its practiced.
3) Communism is a big part of the failings of the Church today.
4) Communion in the hand is a real problem (did I mention that?)

There’s much more and I’ll post later, but I’m tired and grasping a bit right now. Regardless, its a great read from a very traditional Bishop who is very well spoken.

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 Post subject: Re: Deposing the Pope
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He's also opposed to gherkinism :fyi:

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Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
He's also opposed to gherkinism :fyi:


Thank you Father, I had forgotten to mention that very important point.

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 Post subject: Re: Deposing the Pope
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Peetem wrote:
Dominic wrote:
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I think he's mostly right and always defensible, but I know what you mean.


Any chance I can get a synopsis out of it? Still want to read the book.


Big take aways (In no particular order):

1) The papacy has become too much of THE central figure of the Church....the general life and day to day “rule” of the Church used to be more about the Bishops than the Pope.
2) Communion in the hand is THE failing of the Church in the west and anywhere else its practiced.
3) Communism is a big part of the failings of the Church today.
4) Communion in the hand is a real problem (did I mention that?)

There’s much more and I’ll post later, but I’m tired and grasping a bit right now. Regardless, its a great read from a very traditional Bishop who is very well spoken.


It's always disappointing to see that throughout history......Bishops, Priests, or Councils shifted their view of the Papacy on whether it benefited them or their cause. Those human elements are sadly a part of how things unfold.

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 Post subject: Re: Deposing the Pope
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Bishop Schneider may not be an exception this either. It doesn't make him wrong, it's just good to know when reading his material. Anyone's material for that matter.

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 Post subject: Re: Deposing the Pope
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Peetem wrote:

Big take aways (In no particular order):


2) Communion in the hand is THE failing of the Church in the west and anywhere else its practiced.

4) Communion in the hand is a real problem (did I mention that?)


I don't know whom Bishop Schneider is intending to preach to, but if he's making such a big issue out of receiving communion in the hand, people like me are likely to lose interest in anything else he says. If it's okay for communion to touch your tongue, your throat, and all parts of your body onwards, what could be so bad about it touching your hands for a couple of seconds? :scratch:

Thankfully communion in the hand is not such a great problem as Bishop Schneider thinks:

https://www.thetablet.co.uk/news/12467/ ... ses-double


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 Post subject: Re: Deposing the Pope
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Denise Dee wrote:
Peetem wrote:

Big take aways (In no particular order):


2) Communion in the hand is THE failing of the Church in the west and anywhere else its practiced.

4) Communion in the hand is a real problem (did I mention that?)


I don't know whom Bishop Schneider is intending to preach to, but if he's making such a big issue out of receiving communion in the hand, people like me are likely to lose interest in anything else he says. If it's okay for communion to touch your tongue, your throat, and all parts of your body onwards, what could be so bad about it touching your hands for a couple of seconds? :scratch:

Thankfully communion in the hand is not such a great problem as Bishop Schneider thinks:

https://www.thetablet.co.uk/news/12467/ ... ses-double


I'm providing the summary. When you read page after page of his reasoning, I dare say it would give most people pause to think perhaps they shouldn't receive in the hand....and its one of the many things I feel a little guilty about.

I used to receive only on the tongue. Then after a couple of miscues I went back to my hand. Then went back to the tongue only to become a basket case; fearing I wouldn't have my tongue out enough or my neck in the right position or whatever my hangup of the day was....regardless, I had a major miscue and the host dropped off my tongue when it hit my teeth (which I caught well before it hit the ground).

So now I'm back to my hand....

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 Post subject: Re: Deposing the Pope
PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 10:02 pm 
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I can't find the part about deposing a pope anywhere in the book now. I'm sure I didn't dream it.

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Aha! It wasn't in the book. It's here: https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/bi ... -true-pope

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Peetem wrote:
So now I'm back to my hand....

If you were allowed to receive kneeling at a rail while a server held a plate below your chin, this wouldn't be an issue. Alas, I realize that this is beyond your control.

And I think this is a point on which +Schneider is absolutely correct.

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Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
Peetem wrote:
So now I'm back to my hand....

If you were allowed to receive kneeling at a rail while a server held a plate below your chin, this wouldn't be an issue. Alas, I realize that this is beyond your control.

And I think this is a point on which +Schneider is absolutely correct.


I primarily intend to receive through the mouth so what I usually do is my best to make it so that whomever I receive the host from is at least as tall as I am.

If they're shorter I'll receive in the hand with due reverence to mitigate the possibility of some mishap.

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Back when I received from others, I would sometimes have to receive on the hand when the person distributing was too short for me to feel confident.

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Denise Dee wrote:
Peetem wrote:

Big take aways (In no particular order):


2) Communion in the hand is THE failing of the Church in the west and anywhere else its practiced.

4) Communion in the hand is a real problem (did I mention that?)


I don't know whom Bishop Schneider is intending to preach to, but if he's making such a big issue out of receiving communion in the hand, people like me are likely to lose interest in anything else he says. If it's okay for communion to touch your tongue, your throat, and all parts of your body onwards, what could be so bad about it touching your hands for a couple of seconds? :scratch:

Thankfully communion in the hand is not such a great problem as Bishop Schneider thinks:

https://www.thetablet.co.uk/news/12467/ ... ses-double


I was taught/trained to receive on the hands, and that is what I had been doing for a few years. One day, just after having placed the Host in my mouth, I saw a little white fragment on my palm (I consumed that too) and I've been receiving on my tongue ever since.

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Some (not all!) miscues with receiving on the tongue can be solved by opening your mouth wide and sticking your tongue out. I've seen people try and receive on the tongue barely open their mouths and not really stick their tongues out. If you should happen to go to a Byzantine Divine Liturgy, you wouldn't stick your tongue out but you would tilt your head back a bit and open your mouth wide. Don't deliberately touch the spoon with your mouth (well, this is customary in some places but not here).

I don't think I would receive in the hand except under obedience - and since I'm not a religious....

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well we had a no doubt what the Cardinal's wishes were regarding this topic, since they were read before Mass began...including this quote

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“Though I am not demanding it, it may be helpful, for the time being, for people to receive Holy Communion in the hand,”

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