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PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:08 pm 
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If baptism replaced circumcision as an initiation to the faith, then why do females get baptized?

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 Post subject: Re: Baptism
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 Post subject: Re: Baptism
PostPosted: Sun Jan 05, 2020 1:27 am 
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True that, but...ok.

So, if baptism is how one is "born again", how is it that St. John tells us how to tell the difference between the children of God and the children of the Devil is if they practice righteousness or sin?

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 Post subject: Re: Baptism
PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:58 am 
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Pro-Zak wrote:
True that, but...ok.

So, if baptism is how one is "born again", how is it that St. John tells us how to tell the difference between the children of God and the children of the Devil is if they practice righteousness or sin?


I would say that righteous behavior is evidence of our Sacramental union with Christ. It's shows that we're actually embodying that which we profess to believe.

Obviously someone who professes belief in Christ, yet embodies sin and wickedness, is not manifesting in themselves the union they claim to possess.

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 Post subject: Re: Baptism
PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:44 am 
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Pro-Zak wrote:
True that, but...ok.

So, if baptism is how one is "born again", how is it that St. John tells us how to tell the difference between the children of God and the children of the Devil is if they practice righteousness or sin?

Because baptism doesn't automatically force moral behavior. Some people use the graces they were given in baptism; some don't and then leave their adopted family for another one.

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 Post subject: Re: Baptism
PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2020 11:15 am 
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Just in case anyone was wondering, I'm not asking these questions to mock the Catholic faith, I'm just trying to understand things from the Catholic perspective vs. the Evangelical one that has been burned into my psyche for so long...

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 Post subject: Re: Baptism
PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2020 11:18 am 
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I didn't think you were mocking.

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 Post subject: Re: Baptism
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Pro-Zak wrote:
Just in case anyone was wondering, I'm not asking these questions to mock the Catholic faith, I'm just trying to understand things from the Catholic perspective vs. the Evangelical one that has been burned into my psyche for so long...


I didn't take it as you being mocking either.

I'm more than 12 years into my conversion and I'm still dealing with some latent Evangelical tendencies. It took me almost ten years to actually reconcile my concept of the Atonement(which was essentially Penal Substitutionary Atonement) with the Church's fuller understanding.

A lot of these things are really complex and it takes a lot of time and thought to work these things out.

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