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 Post subject: Mortal Sin to Attend Orthodox Rituals?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2019 7:39 pm 
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[as the holy office said in the 1800s] Even if the ritual of the schismatic group is the same...Even if there is nothing heretical or even if there is nothing immoral in it, just to join your prayer to schismatics, just to go there is mortally sinful.”

-Fr. Ripperger

Does the prohibition on attending the rituals of schismatics extent beyond the enforce canon law?

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 Post subject: Re: Mortal Sin to Attend Orthodox Rituals?
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I think he is contradicting the Principles and Norms on Ecumenism.

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 Post subject: Re: Mortal Sin to Attend Orthodox Rituals?
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I think he is contradicting the Principles and Norms on Ecumenism.


Is that to say the prior obligation was just a matter of canon law?

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 Post subject: Re: Mortal Sin to Attend Orthodox Rituals?
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I don't know.

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 Post subject: Re: Mortal Sin to Attend Orthodox Rituals?
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More pressing I suppose;

Are converts now forbidden from praying with their families?

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 Post subject: Re: Mortal Sin to Attend Orthodox Rituals?
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 Post subject: Re: Mortal Sin to Attend Orthodox Rituals?
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Well, I don’t know Fr Ripperger, either. But I disagree with him on lots of things.

Yesterday someone at St Petersburg, Russia just greeted me on the feast of the Annunciation. Russian Orthodox people celebrate the feast of the Annunciation on April 7 instead of March 25. They still observe the Julian calendar.

They’re separated brothers...

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 Post subject: Re: Mortal Sin to Attend Orthodox Rituals?
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I really would have to see the decrees of the Holy Office to which Fr. Ripperger is referring in context to be able to judge whether he is relating their content accurately. In addition, whether those decrees reflect the Divine law or merely ecclesiastical law that can be changed. I tend to think that they are ecclesiastical law since some degree of prayer in common with the Orthodox has been going on for centuries. I've heard, for example, in Ukraine, where Catholics and Orthodox have lived next to one another for a long time, in remoter regions the local Orthodox priest might go to the local Catholic priest for confession and vice-versa.

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 Post subject: Re: Mortal Sin to Attend Orthodox Rituals?
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More pressing I suppose;

Are converts now forbidden from praying with their families?

I would be curious about the context of Fr. Ripperger's statement. Last time I heard someone quoting him controversially, the quote was inaccurate and the context made a huge difference.

But in anycase, somewhere I made a chart comparing what had been held about participation in prayer before versus now. The two main relevant observations:

Private prayer (saying the blessing before meals) was never prohibited, as long as the prayer was not offensive and scandal was not given.

Any active participation in public prayer (thus liturgies) was forbidden absolutely, but it was disputed whether this was a matter of ecclesiastical law or natural law, when the prayer was not itself heretical or expressive of attachment to a schismatic sect, etc.

Passive participation (i.e observation) was never absolutely forbidden, but the potential dangers (e.g hearing heretical sermons) were sometimes banned in a way that would preclude observation save under special cases.

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