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Anybody have any thoughts on and/or have read much Thomas Reid? I've been really impressed with what I take to be bis devastating response to Hume. He has a very practical approach to philosophy that in it's own way reminds me of Aquinas on the one hand and Husserl on the other. So I was curious if any of you were familiar with his work.

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i'm sure the pickle is your man, but he'll only be here on sundays for lent

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i'm sure the pickle is your man, but he'll only be here on sundays for lent

So if Lent is a penitential season, why are we treated to a quasi-gherkin ban on every day BUT Sunday?

He knows he's supposed to do the penance right?

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It's because of the violence inherent in the system :fyi:

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 Post subject: Re: Thomas Reid
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I went through a minor infatuation with Reid about 20 years ago, largely because he is an under-studied figure who is nevertheless obviously cool. Sort of like Malebranche's "empiricist" cousin. He's a funny guy. His rejection of representationalism, for example, was a striking move by his time, since representationalism had been orthodoxy in one form or another since Descartes. But he said, and seems to have seriously believed, that he was the first philosopher ever to reject representationalism (or "the way of ideas"). This, of course, is remarkably ignorant. Moreover, his rejection of representationalism is correct, but his own story of perception lacks the metaphysical depth of the scholastic story. His response to Hume on causation seems compelling to me--on the Humean story, we should think that day causes night, but we don't. He's a smart and underappreciated philosopher.

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 Post subject: Re: Thomas Reid
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yeah.... what he said :scratch: 8-)

btw gherk.... if you are getting into the march madness brackets , they will be available after the reveal tonight ... iirc the name of the group is dcf march madness maniacs... 2 entries allowed per person

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 Post subject: Re: Thomas Reid
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I went through a minor infatuation with Reid about 20 years ago, largely because he is an under-studied figure who is nevertheless obviously cool. Sort of like Malebranche's "empiricist" cousin. He's a funny guy. His rejection of representationalism, for example, was a striking move by his time, since representationalism had been orthodoxy in one form or another since Descartes. But he said, and seems to have seriously believed, that he was the first philosopher ever to reject representationalism (or "the way of ideas"). This, of course, is remarkably ignorant. Moreover, his rejection of representationalism is correct, but his own story of perception lacks the metaphysical depth of the scholastic story. His response to Hume on causation seems compelling to me--on the Humean story, we should think that day causes night, but we don't. He's a smart and underappreciated philosopher.

This is very similar to my own impression of him so far. Glad it seems I'm on the right track. In any case, right now, I'm less concerned about his lack of metaphysical depth than I am about his a) rejection of epistemological representationalism and b) his "common sense" approach to philosophy (or better, his testing of philosophical claims against common sense). Professionally, I'm interested in him because I think he might make a good source against some of the relativism I'm finding in "spiritual care" journals. There is, as you well know, a modern bias against Greek and medieval thinkers, so while I can use the ideas of and defend Aristotle and Aquinas, there's a lot of time that has to go into correcting misrepresentations and just trying to get an audience. Reid doesn't seem to have that baggage, and once I make a case for something like common sense realism, it might open the door to--following Husserl here--a phenomenological account of that realism and what must metaphysically be necessary given what we then have said. That metaphysically depth would provide a much easier introduction of Aristotelian/Thomistic realism. Again, all this within my pretty narrow professional needs.

As an aside, are you aware of any philosophers who aren't particularly known for being Christians or defending theological positions who reject representationalism? I'm sure there is a ton of them, but at the same time, from what I've been able to glean, there's been a move on to other fields of study entirely (really following Foucault and his analysis of power, and all within a general analytic model).

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