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 Post subject: Choice and The Meaning of One's Birth
PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 8:44 pm 
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We do not choose to be born. Rather, it is a natural good given to us without our willing it.

Yet as the Church says "Our birth would have been no gain, /had we not been redeemed" and we know that at least in the case of Judas Iscariot that it would have been better for him had he never been born (Matt 26:24)

Since Judas Iscariot lost his redemption through his choice (since reprobation is always on account of the sinner's voluntary choices), he chose by his sin to turn his birth from a blessing into the cause of the relative evil of his eternal existence.

Thus being born can be good, even if the majority of people make the choice to turn their births into the cause of a relative evil (That is the being of a damned soul).

So I guess these are the points I want to make
1. Birth is a natural good
2. Nevertheless, since the majority of people will end up like Judas, there is a sense in which it would be better for them to have never been born.
3. It is not the case, however, that anyone turns their birth into a cause of relative evil, except by their willful choice of sin and consequently reprobation.
4. It is on account of (3) that (2) does not outweigh (1) as a consideration for a married couple to have children,
5. Consequently, even though there is a real risk that many of one's descendants will be lost, it is still better (barring considerations of celibacy pursued with a just cause) to have children, because there is some value in the ability of all humans (on account of sufficient graces) to chose God even if most do not.

Does this make sense?

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 Post subject: Re: Choice and The Meaning of One's Birth
PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 9:07 pm 
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I hope you remember that (2) is a very debatable point.

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 Post subject: Re: Choice and The Meaning of One's Birth
PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 9:48 pm 
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Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
I hope you remember that (2) is a very debatable point.

(2a) the majority of people will be lost
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(2b) it is better for the lost to have not been born.

In (2b) I'm only attempting to say what the Easter Proclamation and Gospel say. And notice I didn't say Christians/Catholics in (2a)

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 Post subject: Re: Choice and The Meaning of One's Birth
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(2a)

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 Post subject: Re: Choice and The Meaning of One's Birth
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(2a)


What considerations are there for rejecting it?

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