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 Post subject: Orthodox Objections to Papacy
PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:31 pm 
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So there are some Church father quotes I'm having trouble with and would like some insight regarding the papacy. These argue either that Peter and his successors hold no authority and are not the only one with the keys:

St. John Chrysostom
> “[Referring to John] For the Son of thunder the beloved of Christ, the pillar of the Churches throughout the world, who holds the keys of heaven, who drank the cup of Christ, and was baptized with His baptism, who lay upon his Master’s bosom, with much confidence, this man now comes forward to us now...”
-St. John Chrysostom, Homilies on the Gospel of John

St. Bede
> “Although it may seem that this power of loosing and binding was given by the Lord only to Peter, we must nevertheless know without any doubt that it was given to the other apostles…Indeed even now the same office is committed to the whole Church in her bishops and priests.”
> -Bede the Venerable, Homilies on the Gospels: Book One: Advent to Lent

St. Cyprian
> “Certainly the other Apostles also were what Peter was, endued with an equal fellowship both of honor and power; but a commencement is made from unity, that the Church may be set before as one; which one Church, in the Song of Songs...”
> -St. Cyprian, On the Unity of the Church

St. Isidore
> “So Peter first received the power of binding and loosing, and he first led people to faith by the power of his preaching. Still, the other Apostles have been made equal with Peter in a fellowship of dignity and power. They also, having been sent out into all the world, preached the Gospel. Having descended from these apostles, the bishops have succeeded them, and through all the world they have been established in the seats of the apostles”
> -St. Isidore of Seville, De Ecclesiasticus II.5

Origen
> "But if you think the whole church to be built by God upon that one Peter only, what would you say of John the son of thunder or each of the Apostles? Are we to venture to say that the gates of Hades do not prevail against Peter by a special privilege, but prevail against the other Apostles and the perfect? What is said surely belongs to each and all of them, since all are ‘Peter’ and the ‘Rock,’ and the church of God has been built upon them all, and against none who are such do the gates of Hades prevail. Is it to Peter alone that the Lord gives the keys of the kingdom of Heaven, and will no other of the blessed receive them? But if this privilege, ‘I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven,’ is common to the others, so also are all the preceding words addressed as it were to Peter "
> -Origen on Matthew XII


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 Post subject: Re: Orthodox Objections to Papacy
PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:33 am 
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So saying "St. Peter is really cool, but the other Apostles were cool too" is somehow an objection to the Papacy?

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 Post subject: Re: Orthodox Objections to Papacy
PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:09 pm 
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The power of the keys, binding, loosing, was also given to the other Apostles. St. Peter is the keeper of the keys, as they were singularly given to him. The other Apostles, however, share in this power. This is not a denial of St. Peter being the head of the Apostles, possessing jurisdiction and leadership.

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St. Isidore
> “So Peter first received the power of binding and loosing, and he first led people to faith by the power of his preaching. Still, the other Apostles have been made equal with Peter in a fellowship of dignity and power. They also, having been sent out into all the world, preached the Gospel. Having descended from these apostles, the bishops have succeeded them, and through all the world they have been established in the seats of the apostles”
> -St. Isidore of Seville, De Ecclesiasticus II.5


The St. Isidore quote would merit further examination in context and in its original language.
Compare it to what St. Isidore says here:



Quote:
Then the Lord said to him, “Upon this rock”
which you have proclaimed “I will build my church,”
for (I Corinthians 10:4) “the rock was Christ,” on which
foundation even Peter himself was built.3. He was called
Cephas because he was established as the head (caput)
of the apostles, for  in Greek means ‘head,’ and
Cephas is the Syrian name for Peter.


https://sfponline.org/Uploads/2002/st%2 ... nglish.pdf


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 Post subject: Re: Orthodox Objections to Papacy
PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:03 pm 
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