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 Post subject: Re: Archbshp claims Pope Francis withdrew sanctions on McCar
PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:28 am 
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It is most definitely war. Either Francis, his fake priests, and pedo mafia need to go willingly, or they need to be forcibly removed. They cannot stay. There is literally no other way for the Church to move forward unless these frauds are expunged.


It is not possible to 'forcibly remove' a Pope, except, I suppose, by assassination, and I hope that is not what you are suggesting.

If that was what I was saying, you would not have to ask for clarification.

There are other ways, obviously. Such a person CANNOT lead the Church, nor should these fake priests be allowed to remain. Either priests and Catholics who are true to Christ's teachings need to pressure these individuals out, OR they must secede from them. That's it. You're either OK with terrible people leading or your not. You're either OK with what they are doing or you're not. There absolutely cannot be a middle ground here, otherwise the Church not only loses even MORE credibility, but also continues to enable these acts of evil.



Your logic sounds familiar.



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Your logic sounds familiar.


Indeed, it sounds a lot like Martin Luther.

It's nothing of the sort. I'm not at all advocating changing Catholic teachings and traditions apart from distancing ourselves from evil men. And they are evil. What's better, continuing the same traditions away from them, or sitting on their sinking ship while the captain and his crew continue full speed into the iceberg? Ideally, THEY should leave since they are not at all representative of Christ. If they don't, then what's the point of being led by fakes? This is a "black and white" moment here. No grey area. Someone has to go one way or another.


Yep. Sounds familiar.

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 Post subject: Re: Archbshp claims Pope Francis withdrew sanctions on McCar
PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2018 7:06 am 
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Donatism?


Not in my reference. Formally invalid minister.

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 Post subject: Re: Archbshp claims Pope Francis withdrew sanctions on McCar
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Sure, but what I think Wolfguard is really proposing is something an awful lot like Donatism. We can't align ourselves with the traditors. They're too awful. They're not worthy. It's an a pretty ancient heresy that Wolfguard has latched onto here, not something new and shiny.

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 Post subject: Re: Archbshp claims Pope Francis withdrew sanctions on McCar
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Sure, but what I think Wolfguard is really proposing is something an awful lot like Donatism. We can't align ourselves with the traditors. They're too awful. They're not worthy. It's an a pretty ancient heresy that Wolfguard has latched onto here, not something new and shiny.


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Sure, but what I think Wolfguard is really proposing is something an awful lot like Donatism. We can't align ourselves with the traditors. They're too awful. They're not worthy. It's an a pretty ancient heresy that Wolfguard has latched onto here, not something new and shiny.


There is nothing new under the sun

Though I don't think Wolfguard is making the actual scramental case (I hope) for Donatism.

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Sure, but what I think Wolfguard is really proposing is something an awful lot like Donatism. We can't align ourselves with the traditors. They're too awful. They're not worthy. It's an a pretty ancient heresy that Wolfguard has latched onto here, not something new and shiny.


There is nothing new under the sun

Though I don't think Wolfguard is making the actual scramental case (I hope) for Donatism.


I didn't read it as that. More wolfs instead of shepherds.

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 Post subject: Re: Archbshp claims Pope Francis withdrew sanctions on McCar
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Sure, but what I think Wolfguard is really proposing is something an awful lot like Donatism. We can't align ourselves with the traditors. They're too awful. They're not worthy. It's an a pretty ancient heresy that Wolfguard has latched onto here, not something new and shiny.


There is nothing new under the sun

Though I don't think Wolfguard is making the actual scramental case (I hope) for Donatism.

Exactly right, I'm not. Glad someone was able to use logic and reason over supposition and assumption.

I think this past week with how the kids from Kentucky were treated and unfairly admonished by certain priests and bishops illustrates exactly the problem - we have some bad shepherds who are cow-towing to leftism and the PC police. I find it interesting how some people are quick to throw "heretic" in my direction while enabling people who don't even have the guts to confront people who pass laws to kill babies up to the point of birth. As you said, There is nothing new under the sun.

Who's the heretic, the wolf who tells it like it is or the shepherd who pretends to be a caretaker of his flock while leading the sheep off the cliff? I'm not looking for perfection in priests, I'm looking for people who are true to the values of their vocations to Jesus Christ. It makes little sense to follow someone who is not true to their values, or is supplanting our values with Alinsky-tainted leftism, or answering to a media-driven PC golden calf instead of God.

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 Post subject: Re: Archbshp claims Pope Francis withdrew sanctions on McCar
PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 3:31 am 
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Apparently y'all have painted yourselves into a corner and Pope Francis is in control of the paint shop.

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Wolfguard wrote:
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Sure, but what I think Wolfguard is really proposing is something an awful lot like Donatism. We can't align ourselves with the traditors. They're too awful. They're not worthy. It's an a pretty ancient heresy that Wolfguard has latched onto here, not something new and shiny.


There is nothing new under the sun

Though I don't think Wolfguard is making the actual scramental case (I hope) for Donatism.

Exactly right, I'm not. Glad someone was able to use logic and reason over supposition and assumption.

I think this past week with how the kids from Kentucky were treated and unfairly admonished by certain priests and bishops illustrates exactly the problem - we have some bad shepherds who are cow-towing to leftism and the PC police. I find it interesting how some people are quick to throw "heretic" in my direction while enabling people who don't even have the guts to confront people who pass laws to kill babies up to the point of birth. As you said, There is nothing new under the sun.

Who's the heretic, the wolf who tells it like it is or the shepherd who pretends to be a caretaker of his flock while leading the sheep off the cliff? I'm not looking for perfection in priests, I'm looking for people who are true to the values of their vocations to Jesus Christ. It makes little sense to follow someone who is not true to their values, or is supplanting our values with Alinsky-tainted leftism, or answering to a media-driven PC golden calf instead of God.

:?

I didn't say you were a heretic, though you can draw whatever implications you like from my contention that you are endorsing a view that is awfully like the ancient heresy of Donatism. And I'm sure as heck not enabling murderers.

BTW, when you refer to these bad priests as fake priests--and here's a quotation: "Enough with the kid gloves - it's like a mafia ring going on here. In order to save the Church, these fake priests need to be expunged"--you are either (a) using words to mean something other than what they actually mean or (b) saying that these wicked men are not actually priests. So when you mention supposition or assumption, then yes, I did make an assumption. I assumed (b). I typically don't assume (a) when I'm talking to people, because if I did, it would make conversation impossible.

Your last paragraph starts with a false dichotomy, of course. They could both be heretics. But being a heretic doesn't mean one is not a priest.

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