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 Post subject: Re: Luther
PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:15 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Luther
PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:51 pm 
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To give a parallel example: Most Episcopalians (which I used to be) are not proud of Henry VIII. They just regard him as God's agent in bringing about reform.


Really? Odd birds, them Episcopalians.

Fascinating train wreck, old Hank.


Wait till you meet the Anglican Church of Canada

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 Post subject: Re: Luther
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I was a Southern Baptist for 42 years. Martin Luther was never mentioned. . . . Steve Ray was raised Baptist, and had the opposite experience.

Sounds familiar.

As an aside, I was born and raised Southern Baptist and am now an ordained pastor in the Christian and Missionary Alliance. Luther's name almost never comes up. We did talk about him in a few church history classes, and I never felt that his personal failures were ever shied away from. I don't doubt that there are those Christians who lionize him . . . hagiography has been a common thing through all of human history. But I think Fr Obi was very much on point when he said, "Catholics tend to make Luther of much more importance to most Protestants than he really is." Whatever historical importance he had, he's of very little importance to the vast majority of every day non-Catholic Christians.

Having said that, I'm at a loss as to what the OP is looking for after his back and forth with both Obi and Doom. If he's curious about non-Catholic perceptions of Luther, particularly with respect to his various failures, why not just ask them? I don't go to non-Catholic boards and ask them what Catholics think about some hero or heroin of Catholicism.

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 Post subject: Re: Luther
PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 7:25 am 
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ForeverFaithful wrote:
GKC wrote:
Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
To give a parallel example: Most Episcopalians (which I used to be) are not proud of Henry VIII. They just regard him as God's agent in bringing about reform.


Really? Odd birds, them Episcopalians.

Fascinating train wreck, old Hank.


Wait till you meet the Anglican Church of Canada


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 Post subject: Re: Luther
PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 10:56 pm 
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We used to have a saying as Anglicans
"The best part about being Anglican is you can believe whatever you want; tge worst part about being Anglican is everyone else can believe whatever they want"

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 Post subject: Re: Luther
PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 2:35 pm 
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ForeverFaithful wrote:
We used to have a saying as Anglicans
"The best part about being Anglican is you can believe whatever you want; tge worst part about being Anglican is everyone else can believe whatever they want"


We Anglicans still do.

"Depends on whom you ask".

Motley, be that crew.

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 Post subject: Re: Luther
PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 4:42 pm 
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theJack wrote:
If he's curious about non-Catholic perceptions of Luther, particularly with respect to his various failures, why not just ask them? I don't go to non-Catholic boards and ask them what Catholics think about some hero or heroin of Catholicism.


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But do you ask about the cocaines of Catholicism?

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 Post subject: Re: Luther
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That's a rather extraordinary guitar solo introduction there, well, actually, there is some pretty amazing guitar work through the entire performance,but that intro, wow.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 10:13 pm 
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But do you ask about the cocaines of Catholicism?


I totally missed that. ::):

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