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 Post subject: The Authority of the CDF
PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 7:27 am 
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So Fr. Z was right there seem to be two camps regarding the new CCC 2267.

Camp #1 Is interested in a highly analytic approach to the new text of CCC 2267 to show that terms such as "inadmissible" are really referring to the extrinsic evil of capital punishment. That is Pope Francis has made a prudential judgment that the neccesary conditions for the just application of capital punishment are not present in the world today. While the revised CCC 2267 does not like the 1997 CCC 2267 acknowledge explicitly the right of states to inflict capital punishment, it is not making a comment of the intrinsic nature of capital punishment but solely make a prudential judgment about it's extrinsic evil today.

Camp #2 feel that this is either (a) a doctrinal change (b) a doctrinal reversal or (c) and error (ranging from not-technically heresy to formal heresy)

Now enter the CDF.
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http://press.vatican.va/content/salasta ... letteraing[/url]

The CDF claims that the revision constitutes 2(a) a doctrinal development. We're not talking about applying the traditional teaching (a matter which Catholics are free to take a wide range of views on, including abolishment in practice) but now the teaching is what is contained in CCC 2267.

So here are my questions.



Q1 Cardinal Ratzinger wrote that no paragraph in the Catechism adds more weight to an opinion than it already had. The revised CCC 2267 cites only an address Pope Francis made, which would be a very low level magisterial document. Would the CDF's letter claiming that this is a development add any weight to the discussion or are they also just dependent upon the authority the original address?

Q2 Donum Vertatis 24 distinguishes (in Cardinal Dulles reading) between four levels of magisterial authority. Can the CDF make any teaching part of either the defined truths of the Catholic Church or those necessarily linked to it? Can the CDF ever require of the faithful religious assent of intellect and will?

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 Post subject: Re: The Authority of the CDF
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edit -- wrong thread!

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The pope's authority to make decisions at the highest level cannot be delegated to the CDF or anyone else.

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Sorry, Obi. I moved the post to the other thread.

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No problem. I was responding to FF anyhow.

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Ah, yes, I see that now.

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 Post subject: Re: The Authority of the CDF
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theJack wrote:
edit -- wrong thread!


I thought this one was gonna remain dead anyhow :P

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