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 Post subject: Limited beings evil, privation and negation
PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:12 am 
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Evil is the privation of good, right?

What is meant by limited beings not being evil? Certain Angels?

The difference between privation and negation?

I'm over thinking this and it's twisting me up.

Negation is a denial or offense toward something right?

Privation is simply something lacking.

How is privation evil than?

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 Post subject: Re: Limited beings evil, privation and negation
PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:39 am 
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Evil is the privation of a due good, not of good in general.

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 Post subject: Re: Limited beings evil, privation and negation
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Sorry Fr. not sure that helped.

The whole "due good" is throwing me off.

I need coffee. :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: Limited beings evil, privation and negation
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It's not a problem that I don't have wings. It's not a due good for me. It is a problem if birds don't.

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 Post subject: Re: Limited beings evil, privation and negation
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Ok.

I'm guessing that the only reason to use privation is always relative to God than?

Otherwise, it doesn't make sense what is obvious.

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 Post subject: Re: Limited beings evil, privation and negation
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I'm not at all sure what you mean. Limited beings are not evil because they have limits; they do suffer from evil when they lack something they should have, such as wings (in a bird) and moral sense (in a human being over the age of reason).

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 Post subject: Re: Limited beings evil, privation and negation
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I thought all things can be said to be evil if contrasted with God's perfection?

Hence, privation is not just someone that doesn't have wings but also lacks perfection in relation to God?

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 Post subject: Re: Limited beings evil, privation and negation
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Your first sentence is wrong.

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Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
Your first sentence is wrong.


Hmm......ok.

I wasn't seeing it as an actual evil, but simply imperfect in relation to the perfection of God.

Got it.

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 Post subject: Re: Limited beings evil, privation and negation
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You don't want to use the word "evil" with respect to Our Lord's sacred Humanity, do you? That's enough to disprove the theory right there.

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 Post subject: Re: Limited beings evil, privation and negation
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Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
You don't want to use the word "evil" with respect to Our Lord's sacred Humanity, do you? That's enough to disprove the theory right there.


Hadn't thought of that. :nooo:

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 Post subject: Re: Limited beings evil, privation and negation
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Think about the word "privation" itself. To be deprived of something presumes that you ought to have had it. If you don't get my paycheck for work this week, you were not deprived if anything even though you lack something (my money!). Or again, when you pay a bill you owe, you were not deprived of anything e even though you now lack as much money in your account than you had before you wrote the check. Yet if I meet you on the street and rob you of all your cash, now you have been deprived of something. Or if your employer refuses to pay you this week, you have been deprived of something.

Just so, I am not deprived of wings and a bird is not deprived of reason. I don't have wings by nature and birds are not rational creatures. But if I act in a way contrary to reason or a bird loses its wings, we both are deprived of something. We have both suffered an evil. In my case, the evil is in a moral sense, too.

Jesus wasnt deprived of anything human. So He was and is the perfect man. God is deprived of nothing absolutely and so is perfectly good in a unique way. Hope that helps a bit.

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 Post subject: Re: Limited beings evil, privation and negation
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Think about the word "privation" itself. To be deprived of something presumes that you ought to have had it. If you don't get my paycheck for work this week, you were not deprived if anything even though you lack something (my money!). Or again, when you pay a bill you owe, you were not deprived of anything e even though you now lack as much money in your account than you had before you wrote the check. Yet if I meet you on the street and rob you of all your cash, now you have been deprived of something. Or if your employer refuses to pay you this week, you have been deprived of something.

Just so, I am not deprived of wings and a bird is not deprived of reason. I don't have wings by nature and birds are not rational creatures. But if I act in a way contrary to reason or a bird loses its wings, we both are deprived of something. We have both suffered an evil. In my case, the evil is in a moral sense, too.

Jesus wasnt deprived of anything human. So He was and is the perfect man. God is deprived of nothing absolutely and so is perfectly good in a unique way. Hope that helps a bit.


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A lack of a good is evil when it is a good the being should have - because they are deprived of it. A lack of a good is just a lack of a good if the being should not have it. [Father's example is apropos here: it is not an evil for man not to have wings, but it is certainly an evil for a bird not to have wings.]

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 Post subject: Re: Limited beings evil, privation and negation
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ThomisticCajunAggie wrote:


[Father's example is apropos here: it is not an evil for man not to have wings, but it is certainly an evil for a bird not to have wings.]


Penguins, ostriches and flightless birds the world over just cried a little.


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 Post subject: Re: Limited beings evil, privation and negation
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All of them still have wings. Believe me, I thought of that before using that example. Otherwise I'd have named a specific species.

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Except for moas, which are extinct.

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