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 Post subject: Re: The Dubia
PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:12 pm 
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I don't think he got a raw deal. And I think Catherine of Aragon would say the same.


He was denied an annulment that the Pope was prepared to grant him only because of political pressure from the emperor. How is that a fair process?


It might not be fair as described (though even "political pressure" can be an instrument of truth, witting or no), but that your description is accurate is another question entirely. It could be that the Pope drew up the Bull and thought better of it on his own. Or it could be that he was convinced of an argument from a 3rd party. It need not have been solely due to political pressure.


Or that the document originated in one of Henry's helpful submissions, in his dealings with Clement, to assist in getting just what he desired. What he got was the result of what the system was intended to give, a joint consideration of the sacramental and the political. It was how things worked, if needed. Henry assumed his political strength would swing it in his favor. A king is trumped by an emperor, with family connections in this case.

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http://www.ncregister.com/blog/edward-p ... n-audience

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 Post subject: Re: The Dubia
PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 12:00 pm 
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I have a feeling this will wind up in File 13, along with the original request. :(

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 Post subject: Re: The Dubia
PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:32 pm 
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http://www.ncregister.com/blog/edward-pentin/full-text-of-dubia-cardinals-letter-asking-pope-for-an-audience

Shameful

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 Post subject: Re: The Dubia
PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:34 am 
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Peregrinator wrote:
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http://www.ncregister.com/blog/edward-pentin/full-text-of-dubia-cardinals-letter-asking-pope-for-an-audience

Shameful

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 12:30 pm 
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It is shameful that the Pope has left loyal subjects twisting in the wind instead of granting them an audience or explaining why they cannot have one. All the more shameful in that they are Cardinals and part of their job is to advise the Pope.

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 Post subject: Re: The Dubia
PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 1:20 pm 
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It is shameful that the Pope has left loyal subjects twisting in the wind instead of granting them an audience or explaining why they cannot have one. All the more shameful in that they are Cardinals and part of their job is to advise the Pope.


Confusing.
The Cardinals chose the Pope. Now he stonewalls them.

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