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 Post subject: Does the Resurrection suspend the laws of physics?
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Does a miracle necessarily suspend the laws of physics?

If not, does the resurrection particularly suspend the laws of physics?

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 Post subject: Re: Does the Resurrection suspend the laws of physics?
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The resurrection itself definitely suspends laws of biology/medicine. :wink:
The moving of the rock covering the tomb might be counted as a suspension of laws of physics.
If there are life processes in the glorified body, then it might be.

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There are many things such as miracles at Lourdes that can't be explained by natural laws. They are supernatural.

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I am not sure that I like either the word "suspend" or the word "physics" in this context. Life is not simply an epiphenomenon of matter, so physics isn't what's at stake. And I think "transcend" is better than "suspend."

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I am not sure that I like either the word "suspend" or the word "physics" in this context. Life is not simply an epiphenomenon of matter, so physics isn't what's at stake. And I think "transcend" is better than "suspend."


Agreed. Miracles, I think, are better explained as giving natural things the ability to accomplish effects they wouldn't be able to do on their own. They aren't suspending or fixing or tweaking, but, instead, lifting and extending and broadening the capability of nature through a supernatural aid.

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 Post subject: Re: Does the Resurrection suspend the laws of physics?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEcZcgcb41E

Minus the Molinism under his comments around the five minute mark, that was a much better video than I expected it to be. Well done, Bill.

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theJack wrote:
forumjunkie wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEcZcgcb41E

Minus the Molinism under his comments around the five minute mark, that was a much better video than I expected it to be. Well done, Bill.


That is so funny, because I thought about editing and putting in a "Molinism Warning" but I actually don't think in this specific case that you have to commit to molinism to agree (maybe with equivocation) the latter half of this video. After reading some books on the subject, there is more agreement in areas that I thought were definite dividing lines.

But, anyway, yes... the latter half certainly expresses divine providence in terms that a molinist would love and a thomist would raise an eyebrow or two.

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 Post subject: Re: Does the Resurrection suspend the laws of physics?
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tl;dw :)

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 Post subject: Re: Does the Resurrection suspend the laws of physics?
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You should... It is a good explanation. Even if you are not a molinist.

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 Post subject: Re: Does the Resurrection suspend the laws of physics?
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Miracles arent the violation. Sickness and infirmity are the violation. "Miracles" are proof that sickness and infirmity are not the norm. Jesus said " Father... Your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven." ...That is the new normal for those that can grasp what Jesus created with those words.

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The resurrection itself definitely suspends laws of biology/medicine. :wink:
How?

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The resurrection itself definitely suspends laws of biology/medicine. :wink:
How?

Cells die in a few hours.

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http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015 ... n-science/

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Closet Catholic wrote:
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The resurrection itself definitely suspends laws of biology/medicine. :wink:
How?

Cells die in a few hours.
Yes, and?

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The resurrection itself definitely suspends laws of biology/medicine. :wink:
How?

Cells die in a few hours.
Yes, and?

Touche

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