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 Post subject: Truth in the old catechism
PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 2:52 pm 
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So, I'm thinking that the admonition on not giving truth to people who don't deserve it in the old catechism was specifically calling for silence and not for lying..... Is that how the church understood that caveat?

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 Post subject: Re: Truth in the old catechism
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What are you referring to as 'the old catechism'?

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 Post subject: Re: Truth in the old catechism
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So, I'm thinking that the admonition on not giving truth to people who don't deserve it in the old catechism was specifically calling for silence and not for lying..... Is that how the church understood that caveat?

Silence or equivocation, yes. The fact that some do not have a right to the truth does not at all imply that one can lie to them.

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 Post subject: Re: Truth in the old catechism
PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 3:55 pm 
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Bagheera wrote:
Thinks2much wrote:
So, I'm thinking that the admonition on not giving truth to people who don't deserve it in the old catechism was specifically calling for silence and not for lying..... Is that how the church understood that caveat?

Silence or equivocation, yes. The fact that some do not have a right to the truth does not at all imply that one can lie to them.



Of course, that's a false way to characterize the issue, in fact it is literally begging the question, because the question of whether providing false information to someone who doesn't have a right to have truthful information qualifies as 'lying' is precisely the question under dispute.

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 Post subject: Re: Truth in the old catechism
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Bagheera wrote:
Thinks2much wrote:
So, I'm thinking that the admonition on not giving truth to people who don't deserve it in the old catechism was specifically calling for silence and not for lying..... Is that how the church understood that caveat?

Silence or equivocation, yes. The fact that some do not have a right to the truth does not at all imply that one can lie to them.



Of course, that's a false way to characterize the issue, in fact it is literally begging the question, because the question of whether providing false information to someone who doesn't have a right to have truthful information qualifies as 'lying' is precisely the question under dispute.

By no one before the late 20th century mind you.

Since broad mental reservation is a sin and a lie, how could outright falsehood not be?

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 Post subject: Re: Truth in the old catechism
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I think it goes a little farther back than the late 20th Century, but it didn't become a mainstream idea until then.

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