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I was reading through a collection of St. Louis-Marie de Montfort's hymns today and I was reading one which I will quote below. It is kind of long so I will post my question in the next post.

SECOND SNARE: THE DANCE AND THE BALL

1.
Lord, the world wants to damn me
By the snare of dance.
Free me from this devious trap
Set to snatch my innocence.
Worldly people dance, snubbing You,
O Lord, help us.

2.
Behold the incense to Venus
And her pleasant school,
Behold the plaything of Bacchus,
And the devil’s circle,
Behold his clever invention
For our damnation.

3.
Yes, Satan is the inventor
Of malicious dancing.
He is the principal creator
Of this happy plague,
Damning people joyfully
And so subtly.

4.
At dances, he is king,
Where he is rendered homage,
Where he promulgates the rules
Of joyous wantonness,
Here he holds court,
His throne right at the center.

5.
The devil sets everything in motion
In this accursed practice,
Slipping in his poison,
His malice and his flames.
From him flows the desire
For this deadly pleasure.

6.
He incites the dancers
To dance, to sing and cackle;
There he wins their hearts,
Their bodies and his empire,
Performing all the movements, All the steps and whirls.

7.
He slips into the voices
So all sing gracefully,
He enlivens the oboist
To perform without fatigue;
He executes the harmony
And the instruments’ tunes.

8.
He slips into the body
Of men and women dancers,
Kindling the rapture
Of his flaming passion;
He directs the feet and eyes
Of these poor wretches.

9.
Their body is bewildered,
Their mind is bedimmed,
Their heart is bewitched:
That is what the devil does,
Making them call scrupulous
Whoever does not follow them.

10.
Among the pagans, the devil
Ordinarily receives this tribute,
He doesn’t seek their goods
But that they dance to please him;
Satan may even promise them
Some reward for dancing.

11.
At Saturday’s late hour, witches,
It is said, have the practice
Of dancing after meals
A diabolical bop;
Dancing is the incense, the deadly cult
Of this infernal spirit.

12.
Almost all the doomed
Believe that dancing is permitted;
But those who will be saved,
The Church’s true children,
All loathe it, holding it
In abomination.

13.
Now speaking in general,
Dancing is neutral;
In itself, it is not evil,
And can then be innocent,
For David danced with fervor
Before the Ark of God.

14.
But dancing without sinning
Demands so many conditions
That one can hardly refrain
From sinning by dancing.
Ordinarily, it is bad,
An immense disorder.

15.
The manner, time, and reason,
Plus the person dancing,
All spit out so much venom
That innocence is lost;
Misfortune follows dancers
And even those who watch them.

16.
How does one get involved
In this clever, shameful decadence?
By dousing with perfumed powder,
Smearing make-up on the face,
By cunning nudity,
Extravagance and vanity.

17.
How do worldly people dance?
The style is so notorious:
Everything kindles the toxin
Of a most impure passion:
These sweet, piercing glances,
These hold-me-close dances.

18.
The steps are so measured,
The beat is so pleasing,
The dancers so well dressed
And the song so up-to-date!
Who could refrain from loving,
Burning, being set on fire?

19.
What about those kisses
At the dance’s end,
These cruel, accepted signals
Of a foul passion?
Are they not the devil’s seals
Imprinted only in his name?

20.
We well know the motives
Why many people dance;
They are hidden but so lewd:
Yearning to love, to please,
To arouse or be aroused,
To see, or better, to be seen.

21.
Bouncing to ballads
Filled with love affairs,
Dancers easily get hooked
By this notorious nonsense;
After dancing they dare say:
“God was not offended.”

22.
Dances are held on days it’s forbidden
Even more than on others;
During this time lost
Satan does business;
So we make the Day of the Lord,
The Feast of the Tempter.

23.
Alas! all think nothing of time
Wasted in dancing,
Although time is a great gift
And of immense price;
Time so short, time so precious,
Given to win heaven.

24.
If dancing among pagans
Is always to be condemned
What among Christians?
Oh abominable sin!
Traitors, renouncing the vow
They made to their God.

25.
Have they not renounced
All the devil’s pomps?
Dancing has always been considered
The most notable of them alDancing is a cruel dishonor
To the Most Holy Lord.

26.
Dancer, caricature of a Christian,
Jesus Christ is not your master.
But Satan has claimed you as his own
Like an apostate, a traitor.
Be gone, disciple of the evil spirit,
You’re a disgrace to Jesus Christ.

27.
A criminal dies
Swaying on the gallows;
In deadly peril,
A soldier dances and laughs.
O folly, O cruel misfortune
Of dancers so criminal!

28.
Oh giant fool, twirling on the edge
Of the eternal precipice,
Without fearing death,
Nor even God in His justice!
Ah! Satan has blinded him,
He will kill the fatted calf.

29.
The dancers, in their frenzy
Of arms, feet and head
Plus the rest of their body,
Are crazier than animals;
A lot less spirited are horses;
They’re calmer than the dancers.

30.
Both New and Old Testaments
Condemn all dancing
And strongly threaten
With terrible vengeance
Dancers, buffoons,
Their patrons and spectators.

31.
God curses their finery,
Their perfume, their rhythms,
Their romantic affairs,
Their imprudent gestures.
He forbids us to copy them,
To frequent their shows.

32.
Dancing is even a tyrant,
Perhaps the most cunning of all;
It caused the death of Saint John,
Our Master’s Precursor.
O great God, how it has caused ruin
Both of soul and body!

33.
The holy fathers, the doctors,
The canons, the Church,
Have all condemned dancers,
Declared them anathema
Together with buffoons,
Actors and jesters.

34.
Men are blinded
By dancing, says one of fathers,
Children are confused,
They despise father and mother.
Women lose their honor
And the grace of the Lord.

35.
Dancing makes one transgress
All the laws of the Church,
It also makes one break
The entire law of Moses;
A dancer has lost the faith
And no longer obeys the law.

36.
Whenever there’s dancing, wherever,
Heaven weeps with grief;
At this affront to God
All hell rejoices,
While the saints lament
And the ungodly screech.

37.
God often severely punishes
Dancers with sudden death,
In a moment vomiting
Their accursed souls.
From balls and games,
Suddenly they fall into hell.

38.
Be gone, world and your friends,
In spite of what I have said,
Tell everyone that it is permitted
Both to dance and to cackle;
Be gone, scandalous world,
Be gone, unfortunate world!

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 Post subject: Re: Dancing Sinful
PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:21 pm 
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Now, St. Francis de Sales also condemns dancing, and I have read articles where it gives St. Johnn Vianney as another witness against dancing (e.g. going so far as to refuse absolution to penitents who would not give up dancing). The Catholic Encyclopedia has an article on dancing by Charles Souvay, which also expresses more or less the same opinion.

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As to social dancing, now so much in vogue, whilst in itself it is an indifferent act, moralists are inclined to place it under the ban, on account of the various dancers associated with it. Undoubtedly old national dances in which the performers stand apart, hardly, if at all, holding the partner's hand, fall under ethical censure scarcely more than any other kind of social intercourse. But, aside from the concomitants — place, late hours, décolleté, escorting, etc. — common to all such entertainments, round dances, although they may possibly be carried on with decorum and modesty, are regarded by moralists as fraught, by their very nature, with the greatest danger to morals. To them perhaps, but unquestionably still more obviously to masked balls, should be applied the warning of the Second Council of Baltimore, against "those fashionable dances, which, as at present carried on, are revolting to every feeling of delicacy and propriety".

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04618b.htm

So I suppose the question is to what agree dancing is to be condemned and avoided. Is this the common moral teaching of the Church or is it just a French thing? Is it just a bunch of celibate old men who have no idea what they're talking about? I have been to dances before and my experience confirms in my mind that what they say is probably true, that it is not a very wholesome environment. I have previously avoided dancing as much as possible because I do not like it, but I would have had a hard time refusing dancing absolutely if pressured to by others, and I have not in conversations done anything to dissuade others from dancing. I wouldn't want to give others a hard time in something that is morally indifferent.


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 Post subject: Re: Dancing Sinful
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On one side you have the Cure d'Ars and the American Bishops, who in the Plenary Councils of Baltimore, approved by Leo XIII, condemned every form of ballroom dancing as against every sense of morality and propriety, a decree NEVER revoked... and don't think the Plenary Councils were just some USCCB meeting. They established actual law for the US, such as those who divorce and attempt to remarry are excommunicated (the bishops, while avoid another plenary council, did petition Paul VI to remove that penalty in the US, in the 1970's). Much of the law established there is still in effect today (even the number of Holy days). But contrary custom, e.g., seems to have repealed parts of it, such as the automatic suspension a divinis of any priest who is present at a dnce, other than to give last rites.


On the other side is St. Francis de Sals who most certainly does NOT condemn dancing in itself. In fact, he goes as far as to say charity may demand it.

He says "Dances and balls are things in themselves indifferent, but the circumstances ordinarily surrounding them have so generally an evil tendency, that they become full of temptation and danger. " (Introduction to the Devut Life, III chapter 33) After going on one of his customary rants about the evils of mushrooms he says

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To return to the medical simile;--it is said that after eating mushrooms you should drink some good wine. So after frequenting balls you should frame pious thoughts which may counteract the dangerous impressions made by such empty pleasures on your heart. Bethink you, then--1. That while you were dancing, souls were groaning in hell by reason of sins committed when similarly occupied, or in consequence thereof.

2. Remember how, at the selfsame time, many religious and other devout persons were kneeling before God, praying or praising Him. Was not their time better spent than yours?

3. Again, while you were dancing, many a soul has passed away amid sharp sufferings; thousands and tens of thousands were lying all the while on beds of anguish, some perhaps untended, unconsoled, in fevers, and all manner of painful diseases. Will you not rouse yourself to a sense of pity for them? At all events, remember that a day will come when you in your turn will lie on your bed of sickness, while others dance and make merry.

4. Bethink you that our Dear Lord, Our Lady, all the Angels and Saints, saw all that was passing. Did they not look on with sorrowful pity, while your heart, capable of better things, was engrossed with such mere follies?

5. And while you were dancing time passed by, and death drew nearer. Trifle as you may, the awful dance of death must come, the real pastime of men, since therein they must, whether they will or no, pass from time to an eternity of good or evil. If you think of the matter quietly, and as in God's Sight, He will suggest many a like thought, which will steady and strengthen your heart.


The next chapter he addresses how to use such amusements rightly, and he says it is right when it is an act of courteousness to others and cites the example of St. Elizabeth of Hungary

"As to Saint Elizabeth of Hungary, she both played and danced occasionally, when in society, without thereby hindering her devotion, which was so firmly rooted that, like the rocks of a mountain lake, it stood unmoved amid the waves and storms of pomp and vanity which it encountered."

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 Post subject: Re: Dancing Sinful
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Do note the Catholic Encyclopedia, as useful as it is, has many articles that are extremely biased, and even a few that dissent from the Church (cf the one on usury about how the teaching of the Church is not infallible because this encyclical was written in Italian so they can despise that doctrine)

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 Post subject: Re: Dancing Sinful
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Interesting that this subject should come up today, since today's morning prayer from Magnificat magazine included a selection from Psalm 30: "you have changed my mourning into dancing ... "

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 Post subject: Re: Dancing Sinful
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Speed Racer wrote:
Interesting that this subject should come up today, since today's morning prayer from Magnificat magazine included a selection from Psalm 30: "you have changed my mourning into dancing ... "

That is not what the Vulgate has

Psalm 29 (30 in the protestant/ now adopted by modern Catholic numbering)

Convertisti planctum meum in gaudium mihi; conscidisti saccum meum, et circumdedisti me laetitia;

Thou hast changed my mourning into joy; thou has cut my sackcloth, and encompassed me with gladness

The Nova Vulgata (Psalm 30 [29] )

Convertisti planctum meum in choros mihi,
conscidisti saccum meum et accinxisti me laetitia,

Thou hast changed my mourning into choruses for me, thou has cut my sackclth and girded me with gladness


Choros can mean dancing, but not dancing as meant here, but rather the dancing you would see in a choral work

Now the Hebrew looks as most often translated dancing, but it has a religious connotation (according to a lexicon I looked at ) so you wouldn't be talking about that mortal sin, that the archbishop of New York reserved to himself to absolve, of ballroom dancing, particularly the wicked waltz

I am speaking somewhat tongue in cheek, but the archbishop did do that and did condemn waltzes very strongly...

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As long as it's liturgical dance, it's ok
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 Post subject: Re: Dancing Sinful
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As long as it's liturgical dance, it's ok
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One of the worst nightmares I ever had was when we started daily TLMs, and in my dream a friend of mine dressed in a leotard during a daily low Mass and started prancing around. I actually woke up angry at him for what he did in my dream....

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St. Louis de Montfort has already indicated that dancing may not be sinful. Check #13:

13.
Now speaking in general,
Dancing is neutral;
In itself, it is not evil,
And can then be innocent,
For David danced with fervor
Before the Ark of God.

In French:

13. En parlant en général;
La danse est indifférente;
De soi ce n'est pas un mal;
Elle peut être innocente;
Car David dansa de ferveur
Devant l'arche du Seigneur:

So the Lord is placed to see David dancing before the Ark of the Covenant. On the other hand, the daughter of Herodias danced before King Herod. Her dancing was evil and eventually got King Herod behead St. John the Baptist.

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St. Louis de Montfort has already indicated that dancing may not be sinful. Check #13:

13.
Now speaking in general,
Dancing is neutral;
In itself, it is not evil,
And can then be innocent,
For David danced with fervor
Before the Ark of God.

In French:

13. En parlant en général;
La danse est indifférente;
De soi ce n'est pas un mal;
Elle peut être innocente;
Car David dansa de ferveur
Devant l'arche du Seigneur:

So the Lord is placed to see David dancing before the Ark of the Covenant. On the other hand, the daughter of Herodias danced before King Herod. Her dancing was evil and eventually got King Herod behead St. John the Baptist.


That's not exactly what I had in mind. I was not thinking so much of individual dances seen like the biblical examples David or the Israelite women. Included in this category would probably also be dances like a tap dance. I was speaking of dancing in the same sense that Catholic Encyclopedia indicates by the term "social dancing." I would think of things like swing dance, contra dance, tango, salsa, waltzing, etc.

Bear in mind that while he does not absolutely condemn all dancing as intrinsically evil, the following stanza reads,

But dancing without sinning
Demands so many conditions
That one can hardly refrain
From sinning by dancing.
Ordinarily, it is bad,
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Stomachosus wrote:
On the other side is St. Francis de Sals who most certainly does NOT condemn dancing in itself. In fact, he goes as far as to say charity may demand it.

He says "Dances and balls are things in themselves indifferent, but the circumstances ordinarily surrounding them have so generally an evil tendency, that they become full of temptation and danger. " (Introduction to the Devut Life, III chapter 33) After going on one of his customary rants about the evils of mushrooms he says


All the same, it's not exactly a ringing endorsement.

And the American bishops and our favorite French saints counsel against dancing, but people now do it anyway? That's not a ringing endorsement either.


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Normally, it is OK for dancing:

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and speaking of which, this season's dancing with the stars started this week ... the elder statesman this competition is patti labelle, followed closely by suzanne somers

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Pelagius, you aren't going to get the question taken seriously. Dancing, make up, issues of dating, most of these what many saints and bishops said in the past are considered as ridiculous and worthy of derision by Catholics, as non-Catholics consider our position on contraception.

I know I don't think dancing is sinful. But the position that it is is better supported in Catholic tradition that that it is allowable. I think the best thing to do is ask "why is it sinful" and then ask "is dancing as I am thinking of it sinful under those reasons"

The reasons for the wickedness of dancing are given as

1. The time, duration, circumstances of dances- This was a real moral issue in my mind at college, where when there was a dance you could see how many people failed to get up for the 7:30 am or 9 am Masses and ended up going to the noon Mass, or even heading to town to go later. Options that were simply nonexistent in the olden days (no Masses after noon for one thing). And being so impacted, they were as it were dulled for the Lord's day. If there weren't the later Masses, we you could see an issue

But also, of course, the proximity to the opposite sex, the fact that dances were largely ordered at their best to courtship, at their worse to something less than that.

2. The sensual nature of the dances. I will quite honestly say that swing dancing is far more defensible than slow dances in this regard. The more 'intimate' the dance, the more risk of arousing venereal desires or simulating false intimacy. Between clearly lavisious dancing that would not be appropriate in public even between married persons, and swing dancing that involves very little 'closeness', one would have to ask a) is this dance sensual in nature b) does it risk enflaming venereal desires for me c) is any scandal given in dancing d) is the level of affection/closeness in this dance appropriate with this partner. Some slow dances, while not sensual, might still be only appropriate with one you have affection toward.

3. The consequent sexual rendezvous and romping that go on after dances. The Cure d'Ars clearly thinks that the dancing itself is what is leading to that. But it is possible to object that, rather, it is the use of dances as a way of boys and girls to get out from under the eyes of their parents, to be "unsupervised" but of course if the dance does arouse venereal desires, it also tends in that direction.

I think, especially for adults, 3 is not an issue as long as 2 isn't. And 1 is mostly solved by proper priorities and time management

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I have no idea whatsoever about the RCC and dancing and sin. I do know that it is a terrible sin for me to dance. To force someone to witness that would just be unnecessary cruelty. :P

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Stomachosus wrote:
HalJordan wrote:
As long as it's liturgical dance, it's ok
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One of the worst nightmares I ever had was when we started daily TLMs, and in my dream a friend of mine dressed in a leotard during a daily low Mass and started prancing around. I actually woke up angry at him for what he did in my dream....


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Thanks for your efforts, Stomachosus. I do wish there was a clearer teaching. I guess next time someone asks me to dance, I will just mumble something about the Council of Baltimore. Or use Jack's line.


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Which reminds me: do you know why Baptists won't make love standing up? Someone might think they're dancing. *rimshot*

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When people point back to Scripture and say "they danced" - we must remember that in that time/culture men danced with men, women danced with women. Dancing was a way to celebrate and express joy.

Dancing in the modern, western world is men and women moving their bodies together in some very immodest ways. Honestly, I tried to watch "Dancing With The Stars" ONE time and I was :shock:! People consider it good, clean family fun :shock: :shock: The clothing was very immodest, the movements were scandalous.

This is from a person who loves nothing more than watching ballet.

I struggle to find where the modern concept of dance has any place in Christian life.

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