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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:29 pm 
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For anyone interested Our Sunday Visitor is running an excellent series about specialized catholic terminology:

In this weeks issue:
To Merit (as in to Merit Heaven) or (Your actions show merit)
The Primacy of Conscience

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 Post subject: Re: OSV Catholic terminology
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Thinks2much wrote:
For anyone interested Our Sunday Visitor is running an excellent series about specialized catholic terminology:

In this weeks issue:
To Merit (as in to Merit Heaven) or (Your actions show merit)
The Primacy of Conscience

Good stuff.

As in "I deny the primacy of conscience"?

I am dubious of anything from OSV....

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 Post subject: Re: OSV Catholic terminology
PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 5:04 pm 
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Its okay, so far. Its by Mark Shea.

“Primacy of conscience” denotes, “Form your conscience with the teaching of Holy Church and act according to it,” not “Search for ways to ignore Church teaching.” Likewise, “prudential judgment” means “Use your best wits to figure out how, not whether, to obey the Church’s guidance.” - See more at:

https://www.osv.com/Article/TabId/493/A ... bpNaA.dpuf

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 Post subject: Re: OSV Catholic terminology
PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 7:35 pm 
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Thinks2much wrote:
Its okay, so far. Its by Mark Shea.

“Primacy of conscience” denotes, “Form your conscience with the teaching of Holy Church and act according to it,” not “Search for ways to ignore Church teaching.” Likewise, “prudential judgment” means “Use your best wits to figure out how, not whether, to obey the Church’s guidance.” - See more at:

https://www.osv.com/Article/TabId/493/A ... bpNaA.dpuf

While I see what he is doing, those thing aren't exactly what those terms mean. True, a good conscience will be formed according to revelation, and presumably by prudential judgment he means either again conscience (which is an act of judgment of a particular) or he means the act of the virtue of prudence, which in either case should include "thinking with the Church" but must be understood as an act of applied reason, and presumably in terms of the virtue

Primacy of conscience, properly understood, means that one must follow their conscience. This means, if one believes they have to use contraception, but refrains because of the Church, they sin. They probably sin by using contraception as well. Silly people (and this is why I hate the phrase) take it to mean primacy of the subject rule (conscience) over the objective (the moral law). But just redefining it into something it DOES NOT mean... well reading this will make theology less intelligible not more.

It is better said, primacy of conscience, properly understood, only means that if one judges an act wrong, he should not do it, if one judges it morally necessary he must do it. But one can still be morally responsible for making wrong judgment, and hence we have an obligation to form our conscience etc. Or more accurately, an obligation to acquire synderesis, and practice prudence, but we can leave that aside (the conflation of prudence and conscience is a major issue)

In anycase the "denotation" of primary of conscience is simply, one must follow their conscience and one always sins by not doing so, even if the conscience is erronenous. To bring up something else, however related and important for understanding what it entails, and claim that is what the term denotes is simply false and HE KNOWS IT.

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 Post subject: Re: OSV Catholic terminology
PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 7:42 pm 
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His definition of "merit" renders the term empty. It is not what is meant by Catholic theology (Balthasar notwithstanding... really that should be a red flag, quoting a controversial theologian who "rediscovers" the meaning of a term much used and cemented in Catholic theology)

Even protestants admit that good works, under grace bear fruit. That is not what is at stake here. We are talking about merit. Which is something due, owed to an act. Not merely a benefit resulting, but a reward truly and properly earned. Not by strict justice (only Christ merited thusly) but by promise.

I agree that if you dilute Catholic terms to mean nice little soundbytes you can make apologetics easier... but you are no longer defending the Catholic understanding. You are either (as with merit) hiding behind ambiguity, or (with primary of conscience) redefining a term to refer to something other than what it means (and one that feeds into an issue people have with the Church and some of her defenders, which I dub magisterialism... but there needs to be a better word, as that already means something else, namely a protestant doctrine concerning the civil magistrate)

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 Post subject: Re: OSV Catholic terminology
PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 7:56 pm 
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On merit, see Section 227 of this: https://www.dropbox.com/s/9k7p1l0qsvq3g ... n.pdf?dl=0

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