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Any guidelines on the blessing of children at the eucharistic line.
Why would a young priest refuse to bless children in the communion line.
Is there something unorthodox about this?

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There is no provision for it in any official rite or rubrics.

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Any guidelines on the blessing of children at the eucharistic line.
Why would a young priest refuse to bless children in the communion line.
Is there something unorthodox about this?

Because he isn't supposed to be giving blessings there.

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It is something that was "nice" that someone dreampt up somewhere, it became accepted as a universal thing.

The children will receive a blessing just before the dismissal with everyone else.

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RCIA classes would do well not to encourage candidates to go up for a blessing either.


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Thinks2much wrote:
Any guidelines on the blessing of children at the eucharistic line.
Why would a young priest refuse to bless children in the communion line.
Is there something unorthodox about this?
It is a recent invention. The Church has made some 'observations' and not even a single one of them is favourable. From the days of the Apostles, such a practice was unheard of till the 21st century. I am against this. Anyway, he should not lay his hands on or trace the sign of the cross on the forehead of the other person, as those hands will touch Jesus again.

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At my daughter's parish, The extraordinary ministers put their hand on the children and say "Jesus Loves You". The priest and Deacon give a blessing.

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At my daughter's parish, The extraordinary ministers put their hand on the children and say "Jesus Loves You". The priest and Deacon give a blessing.
Wait a minute,...EMHCs touch the child and touch the Body and Blood of our Savior after that, and put him on someone's hand! Disgusting.....

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Jack3 wrote:
arkcatholic wrote:
At my daughter's parish, The extraordinary ministers put their hand on the children and say "Jesus Loves You". The priest and Deacon give a blessing.
Wait a minute,...EMHCs touch the child and touch the Body and Blood of our Savior after that, and put him on someone's hand! Disgusting.....


Yes

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At my daughter's parish, The extraordinary ministers put their hand on the children and say "Jesus Loves You". The priest and Deacon give a blessing.
Wait a minute,...EMHCs touch the child and touch the Body and Blood of our Savior after that, and put him on someone's hand! Disgusting.....


Yes
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At my daughter's parish, The extraordinary ministers put their hand on the children and say "Jesus Loves You". The priest and Deacon give a blessing.


Can a deacon give such a blessing? I thought they were only allowed to bless those things allowed by law. He shouldn't even bless water during Mass since the priest is there. I doubt it would be ok for him to bless people coming through the communion line.

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arkcatholic wrote:
At my daughter's parish, The extraordinary ministers put their hand on the children and say "Jesus Loves You". The priest and Deacon give a blessing.


Can a deacon give such a blessing? I thought they were only allowed to bless those things allowed by law. He shouldn't even bless water during Mass since the priest is there. I doubt it would be ok for him to bless people coming through the communion line.

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Can. 1169 §3 A deacon can impart only those blessings which are expressly permitted to him by law.
Common formulae of blessing, like "the Lord be with you" and "May the blessing of..." appear in blessings which a deacon is authorised to use, the practice of giving blessings in the communion line is not approved by the Church.

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forumjunkie wrote:
arkcatholic wrote:
At my daughter's parish, The extraordinary ministers put their hand on the children and say "Jesus Loves You". The priest and Deacon give a blessing.


Can a deacon give such a blessing? I thought they were only allowed to bless those things allowed by law. He shouldn't even bless water during Mass since the priest is there. I doubt it would be ok for him to bless people coming through the communion line.

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Can. 1169 §3 A deacon can impart only those blessings which are expressly permitted to him by law.
Common formulae of blessing, like "the Lord be with you" and "May the blessing of..." appear in blessings which a deacon is authorised to use, the practice of giving blessings in the communion line is not approved by the Church.


I have a permanent deacon friend who told me that he was told explicitly that, except as a liturgical function, he can't bless people. And by liturgical function he meant those he would do as presider.

Any deacons here who can clarify?

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I'm pretty sure I was told I could as a transitional deacon, but maybe I had faculties for it.

And yes, I do bless people in the communion line. I'm not thrilled about it, but that's not a ditch I'm going to die in.

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Jack3 wrote:
arkcatholic wrote:
At my daughter's parish, The extraordinary ministers put their hand on the children and say "Jesus Loves You". The priest and Deacon give a blessing.
Wait a minute,...EMHCs touch the child and touch the Body and Blood of our Savior after that, and put him on someone's hand! Disgusting.....



At my parish, its an air blessing.
I had no idea there was anything wrong with it.
Aside from communion ministers, our parish tends to do things by the book, (or so I thought)

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There is the ideal and then there is reality. A priest shouldn't introduce the practice, and really one shouldn't approach for a blessing. It is not the time for it.

But people generally expect it. And it is usually low on the list of things to tackle (below emptying holy water fonts in Lent... that practice is far more harmful!). I think aside from not encouraging it, and may subtly discouraging, the best I would expect is that the priest give such discreetly and to instruct EHMCs to simply say God bless you are something like that. No gestures.

Re introduce the communion rail and the EF and the practice is easier to end. Indeed, that is one attractive thing there- you can fight 500 mini battles, over things ranging from hugely important to minutiae with the OF and at every stage you will be attacked, or even have insistence that this incorrect/less ideal way is the way you are supposed to do something. But the EF, well it is different and comes with what it comes with. One battle.

Obviously, not a solution for every case and parish. So some priests have to have the frustration of being nagged by people like us about what is right, and on the other hand fighting every little battle for every minutia. He cannot win, so at best he does his best to nudge things in the right direction, insofar as it is even in his power, and lives with complaints on both sides.

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I'm pretty sure I was told I could as a transitional deacon, but maybe I had faculties for it.

And yes, I do bless people in the communion line. I'm not thrilled about it, but that's not a ditch I'm going to die in.


I really have no problem with a priest doing it, especially when there hasn't been any overt encouragement of it. If people present themselves in line for a blessing, then I would expect a pastorally-minded priest to do it. My question was about a deacon. I'm not sure a deacon has such an ability without being given explicit faculties.

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At my daughter's parish, The extraordinary ministers put their hand on the children and say "Jesus Loves You". The priest and Deacon give a blessing.


Can a deacon give such a blessing? I thought they were only allowed to bless those things allowed by law. He shouldn't even bless water during Mass since the priest is there. I doubt it would be ok for him to bless people coming through the communion line.

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Can. 1169 §3 A deacon can impart only those blessings which are expressly permitted to him by law.
Common formulae of blessing, like "the Lord be with you" and "May the blessing of..." appear in blessings which a deacon is authorised to use, the practice of giving blessings in the communion line is not approved by the Church.


I have a permanent deacon friend who told me that he was told explicitly that, except as a liturgical function, he can't bless people. And by liturgical function he meant those he would do as presider.

Any deacons here who can clarify?

FJ
De Benedictionibus, the Book of Blessings says that a deacon can bless the following:

Water (i.e. "make" holy water), rosaries, holy pictures and statues destined for private veneration, medals, and personal religious articles in general. Families, couples, children, women before or after giving birth, old folks, sick folks, catechists, catechetical meetings, parish meetings, pilgrims, travelers, new homes, new schools and universities, new libraries, new hospitals, offices and shops, vehicles, technical equipment and tools, animals, fields and flocks, first fruits, and tables and meals.

Certain blessings, however, require a member of the priestly order. They include:

The blessing of a cathedra, ambo, tabernacle, of fonts and baptisteries, images of the Lord and the saints for public veneration, new church doors, bells, and organs, cemeteries, seminaries, and missionaries.
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A blessing itself is a liturgical act.

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