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hehehe...we don't even have one paten that i know of...can you imagine 8 for each EMHC that is distributing communion...and where would all the altar boys come from...we have a hard enough time finding 3 for each Mass


3 for each mass? :)

At my parish when I was younger, my younger brother and I would alternate (by ourselves) every other week! I could only hope for 3 alter servers at all!


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hehehe...we don't even have one paten that i know of...can you imagine 8 for each EMHC that is distributing communion...and where would all the altar boys come from...we have a hard enough time finding 3 for each Mass


Then perhaps there are too many EMHCs. The idea behind calling them "extraordinary" ministers is that their use should be in extraordinary circumstances. In other words a rarity not the normative situation.

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There is no need to have very short Masses if there are only two Masses, Communion can take longer. 15 minutes with 4 and only 4 priests distributing (one was Cardinal Dulles, who moves with a cane) at an altar rail with 1400 communicants. After seeing that, I am a hard case to sell on any real necessity of EHMC's

And as I said, I was nit pickin'


Pardon my following analytical comments.

I am not considering "very short Masses". I am primarily considering a typical Sunday Latin rite Mass in the USA which should, even with singing, be about one hour long. Some would consider that short, but it is fairly typical and not beyond expectation.

To have the distribution of Holy Communion take 15 minutes out of the hour, i.e. 25% of the time, would be grossly disproportionate to its importance in liturgy. I once "timed" the communion distribution in the Mass I usually go to in my home parish (the Mass uses one EMHC to distribute hosts along with the priest at the head on the central aisle and two more EMHCs for cups with the Precious Blood). Communion distribution took about 6 minutes and that 10% of the total Mass time seems about right.


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One hour?

Mass as a standard should be an hour and half and sung. The old Mass was 2 hours (High). Before that 3 hours.

Why must we be perpetually shortening it?

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on my campus they let students give out the Eucharist! This has always disturbed me.


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hehehe...we don't even have one paten that i know of...can you imagine 8 for each EMHC that is distributing communion...and where would all the altar boys come from...we have a hard enough time finding 3 for each Mass


Then perhaps there are too many EMHCs. The idea behind calling them "extraordinary" ministers is that their use should be in extraordinary circumstances. In other words a rarity not the normative situation.


it's that time thing again...not to mention the inclusivety for the laity....when you've got 1000-1500 for communion, you don't want to take too much time... and of course, it's "permitted" in the GIRM so there really is no recourse... but just to give you the mindset...at daily Mass (50-60 in attendance), if there is no deacon assisting, there is always an EMHC distributing the Host... why we can't have 2 lines, approaching the one priest, i have no idea...but that's the way it is at our parish

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at daily Mass (50-60 in attendance), if there is no deacon assisting, there is always an EMHC distributing the Host... why we can't have 2 lines, approaching the one priest, i have no idea...but that's the way it is at our parish


Same here. One day the EM wasn't there and the priest right before he started distributing communion, asked the crowd if there were any Em's there :?

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it's just a bad mindset... stay in the same rut...no matter how inappropriate (read that WRONG!) it is :roll:

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I have been to a few Catholic Masses. I have noticed that at Communion several people receive the Eucharist by hand. Sometimes there are those who receive the Eucharist on the tongue.
Before lay people give out Holy Communion, are they taught both ways: to distribute it by hand and on the tongue?


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I have been to a few Catholic Masses. I have noticed that at Communion several people receive the Eucharist by hand. Sometimes there are those who receive the Eucharist on the tongue.
Before lay people give out Holy Communion, are they taught both ways: to distribute it by hand and on the tongue?


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If receiving in the hand was the way the early Church practiced, how in the world could it ever be seen as "an abuse?!" :shock:

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If receiving in the hand was the way the early Church practiced, how in the world could it ever be seen as "an abuse?!" :shock:


“Abuse” is a vague term. It’s not an abuse because it is legally sanctioned, or rather dispensed for certain regions. I would not call it “abuse” as usually this is the context for the word “abuse.”

It's emergence in the 20th century was indeed as a result of abuse. Priests and bishops, during the wonderful 1960s (and probably earlier, but it exploded in the 60s) gave Holy Communion in the hand, even though they were not supped to and in some cases Rome told them to stop. They persisted and Rome relented.

It is certainly objectively inferior and harms believe in Transubstantiation and subsequently the Mass a real sacrifice.

The “early Church practiced it” argument is weak. There were only certain areas in the early church that did this; a minority practice that vanished within time. It wasn’t even executed in the manner as we see it today.

The current way we do Holy Communion in the hand is a mix between antiquarianism and novelty.

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If receiving in the hand was the way the early Church practiced, how in the world could it ever be seen as "an abuse?!" :shock:

The same way the Agape Feast came to be seen as an abuse

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If receiving in the hand was the way the early Church practiced, how in the world could it ever be seen as "an abuse?!" :shock:

The same way the Agape Feast came to be seen as an abuse


Strange...

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Wow. So many "blasts from the past" in one thread." I pray for you all.


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If receiving in the hand was the way the early Church practiced, how in the world could it ever be seen as "an abuse?!" :shock:

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So, if the practice of the Early Church is the model, would you like a return to public confession with harsh, decades-long public penances and baptisms performed in the nude?

As Erasmus of Rotterdam once brilliantly put it 'to seek to return to the early Church is like a grown man wanting to return to the cradle.'


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Bishop Athanasius Schneider explained the consequences brought about by Communion in Hand.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Nv8yacWQJ4


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If receiving in the hand was the way the early Church practiced, how in the world could it ever be seen as "an abuse?!" :shock:

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So, if the practice of the Early Church is the model, would you like a return to public confession with harsh, decades-long public penances and baptisms performed in the nude?



I simply stated that it should not be considered and abuse because of that. Those type of confessions would certainly purge out sin, as for that baptisms, hey, if ya got no skin in the game...

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If receiving in the hand was the way the early Church practiced, how in the world could it ever be seen as "an abuse?!" :shock:

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So, if the practice of the Early Church is the model, would you like a return to public confession with harsh, decades-long public penances and baptisms performed in the nude?



I simply stated that it should not be considered and abuse because of that. Those type of confessions would certainly purge out sin, as for that baptisms, hey, if ya got no skin in the game...


Historical liturgical practice doesn't make something automatically reverent, or proper. The case of "hold off till the deathbed baptism" illustrates this well.

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