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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 3:09 pm 
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Ok so here's the deal, I've been doing lots of reading on the Church and it says all baptisims are real.......correct me if I'm wrong.

Since I was baptized into the United church at birth the Catholic church won't/can't baptize me again....again correct me if I'm wrong.

So therefore, the Seventh Day Adventist church I used to go to trying to get me re-baptized by them was like super wrong....?

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You would have to explain what sort of baptism the United church practices. Baptism, to be valid, must be in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The 7th Days' baptism wouldn't count, but if the United Church baptizes w/ the Trinitarian formula, then it counts.

CCC 1278: "The essential rite of baptism consists in immersing the candidate in water or pouring water on his head, while pronouncing the invocation of the Most Holy Trinity: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit."

CCC 1280: "Baptism imprints on the soul an indelible spiritual sign, the character, which consecrates the baptized person for Christian worship. Because of the character Baptism cannot be repeated."

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persephone wrote:
You would have to explain what sort of baptism the United church practices. baptism, to be valid, must be in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The 7th Days' baptism wouldn't count, but if the United Church baptizes w/ the Trinitarian formula, then it counts.

CCC 1278: "The essential rite of baptism consists in immersing the candidate in water or pouring water on his head, while pronouncing the invocation of the Most Holy Trinity: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit."

CCC 1280: "Baptism imprints on the soul an indelible spiritual sign, the character, which consecrates the baptized person for Christian worship. Because of the character Baptism cannot be repeated."
Ya mine was with the Father, Son, Holy Spirit

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tom58 wrote:
Ya mine was with the Father, Son, Holy Spirit


Then according to the Catechism, you've been baptized, which can't be repeated, so you're golden. :)

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I honestly don't know how it happened with me, but being Methodist, I'm pretty positive that I'm good to go. :)

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If one is unsure you can get a conditional Baptism.


"If it be uncertain whether the convert's baptism was valid or not, then he is to be baptized conditionally. In such cases the ritual is: 'If thou art not yet baptized, then I baptize thee in the name', etc."


http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02258b.htm#VII

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A Long is right. Whenever there is doubt, a conditional baptism is usually done.

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As a general rule, Anglican/Episcopalian (and then from them, Methodist), Lutheran, and Calvinist (Presbyterian, UCC, Reformed) baptisms are Trinitarian, and valid.

Among baptisms that are always invalid are those of the Mormons, the Jehovah's Witnesses, and (if they bother to do it) Unitarians, because they do not believe in the Trinity.

With other, "free church" tradition Christians, it depends on the form used. Do they have a set liturgical form? Do their clergy improvise? What do they actually say? Do they use water? Based upon the answers to these questions, all these would have to be judged individually.


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