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I've heard it said, "Grace is God giving us what we don't deserve, and mercy is not giving us what we do deserve."


thats biblical----and practically seen-----cant be wrong.

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What is the Catholic understanding of mercy?


Perhaps this might help you. It is about the Catholic view of mercy:

http://www.thedivinemercy.org/columns/i ... ?newsID=37

I visit this site often and really enjoy it.


In the Divine Mercy,

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Here is an except from a hypothetical judgment putting this issue into perspective.

Jesus speaking on behalf of the defense said, "Satan was correct in saying that this man had sinned, I won't deny any of these allegations.

And, yes, the wage of sin is death, and this man deserves to be punished."

Jesus took a deep breath and turned to His Father with outstretched arms and proclaimed, "However,.....

I died on the cross so that this person might have eternal life and he has accepted Me as his Savior, so he is Mine."

My Lord continued with, "His name is written in the book of life and no one can snatch him from Me.

Satan still does not understand yet. This man is not to be given justice, but rather mercy."

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Seems to me that God's justice is punishment, while God's love is mercy through forgiveness.

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His Mercy endures forever (final vision of Fatima)

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and was manifested to St Faustina in this Image

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Mark said:

some peoples sins are not held against them(faith)----JUSTICE WITH MERCY

others are held against them(no faith)----JUSTICE WITHOUT MERCY

Mark,

Where in the bible does it say that faith means that "some people's sins are not held against them?"

And that 'no faith' means that "others are held against them?"


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do you believe JESUS carried our sins to the cross? if one believes this, and repents---they are saved thru their faith----our sins have been washed away thru mercy---our sentence is "JESUS ON THE CROSS"---he took our sentence.

if one doesnt believe this----no MERCY is given---the sentence is the full lot---Hell.

peter and judas are good examples of belief---unbelief....

Peter, because he truly loved the LORD---was spared judgemnet on his denials---and CHRISTS mercy was shown when he asked peter 3 times if he loved him...

judas betrayed----cause he didnt truly believe who JESUS was---he called him "rabbi", and not "LORD", as did the others.

when Judas realized he was the pawn used by the pharisees and sanhedrin---he was remorseful---BUT WAS NOT SPARED---and he killed himself----

JESUS could have spared him also----but JUDAS didnt have faith enough to ask or go to him.

think about peter----shouldnt he have been embarassed or "guilt stricken" to the point that he wouldnt show his face to the 10 or when CHRIST CAME BACK..

he RAN TO THE TOMB---out of his love----and he wasnt even at this time given the chance to "personally" make up with the LORD---

THAT SAYS ALOT FOR PETER----the "last memory" he had of JESUS before he died, was DENIAL----

what kept him from doing what JUDAS did?----HIS FAITH.

ephesian 2:8-9

8) For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith---and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--
9) not by works, so that no one can boast.

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Thank God for His mercy, I do not deserve it! Mark Malone, lets be thankful for our faith so we will not end up like Judas. How sad.

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mark malone wrote:

ephesian 2:8-9

8) For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith---and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--
9) not by works, so that no one can boast.


true dat, mark... and all thanks and praise to God for His gift to us but as i'm sure you are aware

[bible]James 2:14-26[/bible]

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Mark,

I think you misunderstood me. Your premise of sola fides, Faith Alone, was based only on selective passages.


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I wasnt intending to "slide" this discussion into a "apologetic" on faith vs works...

sorry---

but I will respond to the james 2:14-16 scripture with phillipians 2:12-13

with emphasis on 13--- :wink:

our works are for HIS glory---not ours---he saves us to perform good works 4HIM....

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no argument with that at all mark... it is thru the grace of faith that we are called to follow Him...to be His hands, mouth and ears here on earth...nice to know you agree with the "working out our salvation with fear and trembling"

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God has both Mercy and Justice and shines both of these upon us. Jesus said in regard to Purgatory, "My Mercy does not want this, but Justice demands it." God showed Mercy and Justice to King David, because He forgave Him, but also punished Him for His sins. Hell is not for Justice, but for Wrath. If a cop pulls me over for speeding and gives me a ticket, he is being Merciful but the punishment is from Justice. The Justice rights the wrong while still forgiving what I did. If a cop wasn't merciful when giving a ticket that means the next time he pulls you over, he can then issue an added fine for the last ticket since he still holds you accountable for the previous crime. A Crime is gotten rid of through Mercy, but Justice demands a fine to right the wrong. If I commit a sin and God says, I forgive you, then the sin is no longer held against me as God is upset, but I'm still required to repent my sin. For instance, Jesus took on all our sins and punishment and forgave us. If that is the case then why is the world still filled with suffering due to sin if He took it all and His mercy got rid of it. Mercy and Justice work together. However God may turn His Justice completely away for His Mercy and He could do the opposite, but mostly He will shine both upon you.


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