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 Post subject: Levitation and Superpowers
PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:47 pm 
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A title bound to grab peoples attention..... :mrgreen:

What is the purpose of levitation? Or gifts like bi-locate, flying, speaking in tongues, seeing the dead, etc.?

And why can the demonic duplicate all these?

I suspect if any benefit is to be gained by these, it would make sense for people to be able to differentiate rather easily. That’s not always the case. In fact, often times the Saints that are able to do this are ridiculed/embarrassed by their own clergy brothers.

I’m just trying to wrap my mind around why this specifically unfolds itself rather messy.

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 Post subject: Re: Levitation and Superpowers
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A title bound to grab peoples attention..... :mrgreen:

What is the purpose of levitation? Or gifts like bi-locate, flying, speaking in tongues, seeing the dead, etc.?

And why can the demonic duplicate all these?

What makes you think that these things can occur? Where’s the evidence?


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 Post subject: Re: Levitation and Superpowers
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A good example is Padre Pio.

https://www.ewtn.com/padrepio/mystic/bilocation.htm


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 Post subject: Re: Levitation and Superpowers
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Speaking in tongues is a fairly widespread phenomenon.

Padre Pio bi-located.

St. Joseph of Cupertino levitated, as did (I think) St. Philip Neri and, on at least one occasion, St. Thomas Aquinas.

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 Post subject: Re: Levitation and Superpowers
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A good article about St. Joseph of Cupertino.

https://www.ncregister.com/blog/longene ... really-fly


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St. Joseph of Cupertino levitated, as did (I think) St. Philip Neri and, on at least one occasion, St. Thomas Aquinas.

Also St. Teresa of Avila.

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 Post subject: Re: Levitation and Superpowers
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What is the purpose of levitation? Or gifts like bi-locate, flying, speaking in tongues, seeing the dead, etc.?

And why can the demonic duplicate all these?

What makes you think that “the demonic” can duplicate these things? Where’s the evidence?


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 Post subject: Re: Levitation and Superpowers
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Speaking and understanding a language that the victim does not know is a standard sign of possession.

I am not aware of diabolic bi-location.

I believe that flying/levitating has a history of appearing in diabolic situations, but I'd have to do more digging than I feel like doing right now.

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Dominic wrote:
A title bound to grab peoples attention..... :mrgreen:

What is the purpose of levitation? Or gifts like bi-locate, flying, speaking in tongues, seeing the dead, etc.?

And why can the demonic duplicate all these?

I suspect if any benefit is to be gained by these, it would make sense for people to be able to differentiate rather easily. That’s not always the case. In fact, often times the Saints that are able to do this are ridiculed/embarrassed by their own clergy brothers.

I’m just trying to wrap my mind around why this specifically unfolds itself rather messy.


how about raising the dead... that's a pretty good super power.... the Angel of the Apocalypse is said to have done that , among a host of others

https://www.amazon.com/Saints-Who-Raise ... 0895557983

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 Post subject: Re: Levitation and Superpowers
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Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
Speaking and understanding a language that the victim does not know is a standard sign of possession.

I am not aware of diabolic bi-location.

I believe that flying/levitating has a history of appearing in diabolic situations, but I'd have to do more digging than I feel like doing right now.


Father Obi,

I am certainly no expert on these matters, but with regard to diabolic bi-location......would that be what new-agers call "astral body projection"?


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 Post subject: Re: Levitation and Superpowers
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I hadn't thought of that, but it could be, assuming it really happens.

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The reason I heard about that is because of a close relative being very involved in new-age stuff.

I am still praying for that person.


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 Post subject: Re: Levitation and Superpowers
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Denise Dee wrote:
Dominic wrote:
What is the purpose of levitation? Or gifts like bi-locate, flying, speaking in tongues, seeing the dead, etc.?

And why can the demonic duplicate all these?

What makes you think that “the demonic” can duplicate these things? Where’s the evidence?


Oh, Denise must be "looking for answers" with these questions.

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 Post subject: Re: Levitation and Superpowers
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Denise Dee wrote:
Dominic wrote:
A title bound to grab peoples attention..... :mrgreen:

What is the purpose of levitation? Or gifts like bi-locate, flying, speaking in tongues, seeing the dead, etc.?

And why can the demonic duplicate all these?

What makes you think that these things can occur? Where’s the evidence?

It's very well documented that some saints did these things. It will not come in any form that may satisfy your questioning I suspect. I mean, let's just say someone video recorded such a thing today......I can bet you a klondike bar that it's just too bizarre for people to even believe it now if it was caught on video.

Other than you seeing it first hand (even than I suspect some would question). Some Catholics even doubt it. It's not something one is bound to believe as a catholic anyhow, but there is hundreds of records of the demonic doing it to this day.

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 Post subject: Re: Levitation and Superpowers
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Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
Speaking and understanding a language that the victim does not know is a standard sign of possession.

I am not aware of diabolic bi-location.

I believe that flying/levitating has a history of appearing in diabolic situations, but I'd have to do more digging than I feel like doing right now.

Some people into the diabolical have talked about being able to bi-locate. Some described it in detail listening to conversations miles away from there house.

Who knows how accurate that is and I try not to do too much research in that direction as I know its dangerous and I'd prefer to stay in grace and as close to God as possible.

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 Post subject: Re: Levitation and Superpowers
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In my research into New Age claims, it's useful to know what all of the terms mean. I would never suggest giving any of it a try.

I was at an SF con where two women were selling crystals that supposedly had powers and could do things for a person, including influencing others and getting desired personal outcomes. When I brought this up and asked how it worked, I got the reply that computer chips used crystals. That was it.


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I can't remember the explanation verbatim, but Peter Kreeft describes these "miracles" and "phenomena" as being only miraculous in the natural, earthly realm. That, from time to time, here in this life, there are glimpses of the heavenly. In the next life, time and space, weight, matter, language, etc., will not limit us.

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 Post subject: Re: Levitation and Superpowers
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Amon98 wrote:
In my research into New Age claims, it's useful to know what all of the terms mean. I would never suggest giving any of it a try.

I was at an SF con where two women were selling crystals that supposedly had powers and could do things for a person, including influencing others and getting desired personal outcomes. When I brought this up and asked how it worked, I got the reply that computer chips used crystals. That was it.



I've been to many, many SF cons. Crystals ubiquitous, in the hucksters rooms. Sometimes claims were made for their powers. Sometimes they just sat there and looked pretty.

Sometimes my wife bought one, sometimes not. She's a rock and mineral nut. Loves quartz, in its various incarnations.

CB radios used crystals, too.

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 Post subject: Re: Levitation and Superpowers
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As does warp drive.

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Oh yes, warp drive. Dilithium as I recall.


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