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PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:37 am 
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What does contrition feel like? How do you know when you have it?
I read psalm 50 (51) and I don't really have any sort of feeling of contrition like St David must have had.
How do you feel it?


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 Post subject: Re: Contrition?
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Purpose of amendment.
Recognize that what you did was wrong and have the intention to go away from sin.

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 Post subject: Re: Contrition?
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Right. Contrition isn't a feeling at all.

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1451 Among the penitent's acts contrition occupies first place. Contrition is "sorrow of the soul and detestation for the sin committed, together with the resolution not to sin again."50

1452 When it arises from a love by which God is loved above all else, contrition is called "perfect" (contrition of charity). Such contrition remits venial sins; it also obtains forgiveness of mortal sins if it includes the firm resolution to have recourse to sacramental confession as soon as possible.51

1453 The contrition called "imperfect" (or "attrition") is also a gift of God, a prompting of the Holy Spirit. It is born of the consideration of sin's ugliness or the fear of eternal damnation and the other penalties threatening the sinner (contrition of fear). Such a stirring of conscience can initiate an interior process which, under the prompting of grace, will be brought to completion by sacramental absolution. By itself however, imperfect contrition cannot obtain the forgiveness of grave sins, but it disposes one to obtain forgiveness in the sacrament of Penance.

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 Post subject: Re: Contrition?
PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:33 am 
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If sorrow is not a feeling than this definition I found on google is wrong?

a feeling of deep distress caused by loss, disappointment, or other misfortune suffered by oneself or others.


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 Post subject: Re: Contrition?
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That's not the definition in the context of confession.

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Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
That's not the definition in the context of confession.


That'd what I thought as well, that there's a distinction between "feeling" as used in common parlance vs. "feeling" used in this context


Meaning that sorrow is a movement of the soul based on the judgement of conscience, that may have with it some associated emotions such as sadness and/or guilt.

Rather than a "feeling" being just the sensation resulting from some physical stimuli.

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 Post subject: Re: Contrition?
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Contrition isn't a feeling at all in the confessional context.

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 Post subject: Re: Contrition?
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The pain or distress experienced because of some adversity that is felt personally. The sorrow may be over a loss or misfortune for which a person feels guilty, as in the case of sin; or the sorrow may be totally vicarious, out of compassion for someone else. Essential to the notion of sorrow is that it refers to what has already happened and its painful effects are still experienced. (Etym. Middle English sorge, sorrow; Old English sorh, sorg, anxiety, sorrow.)
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We should feel pain or distress? Why would a Catholic definition focus on feelings?
So if I do not feel anything I cannot have real sorrow?
This definition says I should feel some kind of pain. Why? I thought the Church wasn't feeling based. I am confused!
If I understand Fulton Sheen correctly guilt can even be experienced as a psychological illness. He talks about McBeth. But I am not sure everone really have to feel a lot. We might have some feeling but I think sorrow is beyond feelings.


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 Post subject: Re: Contrition?
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Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
Contrition isn't a feeling at all in the confessional context.
:fyi:

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 Post subject: Re: Contrition?
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A word can have different meanings in a technical field and in common parlance.

Speaking from my own field, once the professor asked the intern "What is the attitude" and he replied "They're complaining too much" when actually the question was about a bone fracture. ::):

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 Post subject: Re: Contrition?
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Jack3 wrote:
A word can have different meanings in a technical field and in common parlance.

Speaking from my own field, once the professor asked the intern "What is the attitude" and he replied "They're complaining too much" when actually the question was about a bone fracture. ::):

So the definition of sorrow from the catholic dictionary has nothing do with sorrow in Confession?
And where in the CCC is "sorrow of the soul" defined?
This is what I hate about the CCC. It just say a lot of stuff without explaining it?
Am I just supposed to understamd difficult philosophical terms like "sorrow of the souls"? Am I stupid as this is supposed to be understand by everyone?
The CCC is not written for people without philosophical studuies.


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