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Author:  p.falk [ Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:07 pm ]
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When did Sisters stop wearing habits more regularly?
Was this a liberalizing push to have them wear street clothes?

Author:  EtcumSpiri22-0 [ Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:23 am ]
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I think it was around the beginning of July and intensified as August approached. ;)

The nuns that taught me how to say 'Yes Sister' wore heavy brown and black wool flowing habits and starched white boards that cut into their face. I have no idea how they did it.

Author:  Obi-Wan Kenobi [ Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:11 am ]
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After Vatican II, and yes.

Author:  p.falk [ Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:37 pm ]
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Was any of it linked specifically to feminism?


Have nuns been more protected from this liberalization that happened with Sisters? And I only ask since nuns make vows that gainsay a worldliness that sisters don't.

Author:  Doom [ Wed Mar 06, 2019 9:04 pm ]
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It is nowhere near that simple. Yes, there are some religious orders that are now in decline, and some who have already disappeared that abandoned habits or became laxer with the rules regarding habits, after Vatican II.

But it is nowhere near as simple as 'before Vatican II, nuns wore habits, but now they don't.'



For one thing, not all women's religious orders have worn habits. Some religious orders have never worn habits. Others have traditionally worn habits, but only some of the time. Some religious orders are teaching orders and others are medical orders, and they have always worn clothing that is appropriate to those professions rather than habits. at least when they were 'out and about' doing their work. After all, a full habit would not only be inconvenient but would actually become a hindrance to someone who was working in a hospital as a nurse.

Others were 'habits' but they have never looked like the habits you see nuns wear in movies. The stereotypical 'Hollywood nun' was always less common than the popular image of a nun might suggest. Because their habits look nothing like the stereotypical 'Hollywood nun', you might not even notice that they, in fact, ARE wearing their traditional habits.

It has also never been true that all nuns live communally in a convent, again, contrary to the popular image. There is really no such thing as a 'generic nun' and there never was.

Author:  Obi-Wan Kenobi [ Wed Mar 06, 2019 10:36 pm ]
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Nevertheless, it is unquestionably true that many religious sisters no longer wear anything that is immediately identifiable as a habit, and that many no longer live in convents, and that much of this grew out of post V-II feminism.

Author:  Peregrinator [ Thu Mar 07, 2019 11:09 am ]
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Doom wrote:
Yes, there are some religious orders that are now in decline

I believe the great majority of religious orders are now in decline. Those that aren't stand out as exceptional.

Author:  Peregrinator [ Thu Mar 07, 2019 11:14 am ]
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Doom wrote:
Others were 'habits' but they have never looked like the habits you see nuns wear in movies. The stereotypical 'Hollywood nun' was always less common than the popular image of a nun might suggest. Because their habits look nothing like the stereotypical 'Hollywood nun', you might not even notice that they, in fact, ARE wearing their traditional habits.

Where do you think the stereotypical nun's habit you see in the movies was based on? Even many teaching orders prior to Vatican II wore the full habit (just look at some older pictures). Of course it must be said that women religious did not always abandon the habit of their own volition -- some did it at the urging of the Congregation for Religious:

https://www.nytimes.com/1964/09/21/arch ... dress.html

Author:  GKC [ Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:27 pm ]
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Peregrinator wrote:
Doom wrote:
Others were 'habits' but they have never looked like the habits you see nuns wear in movies. The stereotypical 'Hollywood nun' was always less common than the popular image of a nun might suggest. Because their habits look nothing like the stereotypical 'Hollywood nun', you might not even notice that they, in fact, ARE wearing their traditional habits.

Where do you think the stereotypical nun's habit you see in the movies was based on? Even many teaching orders prior to Vatican II wore the full habit (just look at some older pictures). Of course it must be said that women religious did not always abandon the habit of their own volition -- some did it at the urging of the Congregation for Religious:

https://www.nytimes.com/1964/09/21/arch ... dress.html


Back in 1949, when my sister was born, in a Sisters of Charity hospital (the only nuns I was likely to see), they looked Hollywood traditional to me.

Author:  Obi-Wan Kenobi [ Thu Mar 07, 2019 2:27 pm ]
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I'm curious what orders didn't wear traditional habits even in the Good Old Days.

Author:  Peregrinator [ Thu Mar 07, 2019 2:52 pm ]
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Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
I'm curious what orders didn't wear traditional habits even in the Good Old Days.

St. Elizabeth Ann Seton's Sisters of Charity wore an unusual habit (the bonnet, etc.). But of course that was recognizable as a habit and today they've abandoned it.

Author:  Obi-Wan Kenobi [ Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:40 pm ]
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Right. I'm not saying that they all wore robes etc. But their attire was always very recognizable for what it was, which is often no longer the case.

Author:  Mary Ruth [ Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:44 pm ]
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Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
I'm curious what orders didn't wear traditional habits even in the Good Old Days.


The Daughters of the Heart of Mary, founded in France during the French Revolution, never wore recognizable habits or were addressed as "Sister."

https://www.dhmary.com/our-history/

Author:  Obi-Wan Kenobi [ Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:58 pm ]
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True, although, as that page notes, the lack of habit was born of necessity (outwards signs of religious profession being forbidden at the time).

Author:  Peregrinator [ Thu Mar 07, 2019 5:54 pm ]
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Right, they are the exception that proves the rule.

Author:  Mary Ruth [ Thu Mar 07, 2019 6:50 pm ]
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Some of my college classmates were members of the Sisters of Social Service. Their institute was founded in Hungary in 1923 and from the beginning, they wore suits and a hat in place of a religious habit and veil.

Author:  p.falk [ Thu Mar 07, 2019 9:05 pm ]
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Mary Ruth wrote:
Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
I'm curious what orders didn't wear traditional habits even in the Good Old Days.


The Daughters of the Heart of Mary, founded in France during the French Revolution, never wore recognizable habits or were addressed as "Sister."

https://www.dhmary.com/our-history/



They seem more concerned about with climate change in that link.

Author:  Peregrinator [ Thu Mar 07, 2019 11:16 pm ]
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Mary Ruth wrote:
Some of my college classmates were members of the Sisters of Social Service. Their institute was founded in Hungary in 1923 and from the beginning, they wore suits and a hat in place of a religious habit and veil.

Ummm, that's not completely accurate, you can find pictures of them on the Internet.
Attachment:
sistersofsocialservice.jpg

Now it does look like there are older pictures of them in which they are not wearing a hat at all, my guess is that they adopted the distinctive veil in the 1930s. In any case, what they are wearing is distinctive and recognizable as religious garb.

Image

Author:  flyingaway [ Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:18 am ]
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all nuns should wear something that makes them stand out from the world..

the black w/ white collar that priests wear signifies death to the world, meaning priests are not "of the world" as the Word says

why should nuns be any different?

women by their nature (fallen nature that is) are already.. shall we say weaker..? I heard somewhere that the devil attacks women more than men or in a more intense way or something to that effect

after all Eve was actually deceived by Satan.. Adam was not. If that sounds sexist, consider that Adam has the greater sin simply because of this not having the excuse of being deceived.. He deliberately, knowingly disobeyed

Author:  Peregrinator [ Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:12 pm ]
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Yes, and all the men abandoned Our Lord at His Cross, except for St. John, while the women stayed by Him.

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