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 Post subject: Use tax and honesty
PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:26 pm 
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I use turbo tax. My state CT asks for a "use tax" on any untaxed items bought in other states (including online purchases)
I would have to go through all my emails of everything I ordered all year from the internet to find out if any of it was untaxed. Do I really have to do this?


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:39 pm 
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Honestly I have no idea what any of that means or how it works. I just clicked "no I did not make out of state purchases" I tried clicking yes and I didnt understand what any of it meant


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 Post subject: Re: Use tax and honesty
PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:29 pm 
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My point in asking is, did I lie by clicking "no I did not make online purchases" when I did. It's not that i didnt want to pay i just didnt want to spend who knows how long going through orders to see which ones i paid tax on or not. I might have owed like $50 but i was being lazy. Do i have to go to confession?


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:39 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Use tax and honesty
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Connecticut is toeing the line here. I don't think they really have authority to do this.

I thought there was a supreme court case about this last year. Can't remember.

Fact is, this is a matter for the federal government to straighten out.

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My state offers an estimated amount to fill in. I think it's a (very small) percentage of AGI? I can't remember where they get the figure from. In the past, I've generally just used their estimated amount. Starting last year, I only included a small part of that estimated amount, because most of the places we've done business with online are now collecting taxes for my state at the time of purchase.

I have always figured that if the state offers me an estimate, I'm not doing anything wrong by accepting that estimate.

If your state doesn't offer such an estimate, then you may have to just take a guess. I don't believe you are obliged to try to dig up all of your receipts or whatever. Yes, unfortunately, you should pay a realistic amount. No, you don't have to go crazy to make sure it's accurate to the cent.

I have no authoritative source on that. Just common sense. :fyi:

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 Post subject: Re: Use tax and honesty
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Most retailers provide a list of your purchases on their website.

If the first couple you look at include sales tax, then I think you are safe assuming all the rest did as well.

And the opposite is true as well, if they did NOT include sales tax - then just total the purchases up.

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 Post subject: Re: Use tax and honesty
PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:43 am 
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Ok, so I did go through my emails (it wasnt as impossible as it sounded at the time yesterday) and I owe like $15. Can I just wait until next tax year and include it then? My online return with the incorrect info is already turned in.


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 Post subject: Re: Use tax and honesty
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Illinois also lets you pay a minimal estimated amount.

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kpl2014 wrote:
I would have to go through all my emails of everything I ordered all year from the internet to find out if any of it was untaxed. Do I really have to do this?

Note that many online retailers (e.g. Amazon) now collect sales tax.

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 Post subject: Re: Use tax and honesty
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Ok, so I did go through my emails (it wasnt as impossible as it sounded at the time yesterday) and I owe like $15. Can I just wait until next tax year and include it then? My online return with the incorrect info is already turned in.

I would think that if it is inconvenient for you to file an emended tax return (and it probably is), you can include it in your tax return next year.

I will note that even if this can be categorized as "stealing", the amount is definitely small enough that it's not grave matter.

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 Post subject: Re: Use tax and honesty
PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:24 pm 
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kpl2014 wrote:
Ok, so I did go through my emails (it wasnt as impossible as it sounded at the time yesterday) and I owe like $15. Can I just wait until next tax year and include it then? My online return with the incorrect info is already turned in.

Check for information about an amended return on the site link below.

    CT Use Tax for Individuals: Use Tax is the tax you are required to pay when you purchase a taxable good or service for use in Connecticut on which you did not pay sales tax to a retailer.

    For the current tax year: Individuals can file paper Form OP-186 or report their Use Tax electronically when filing Form CT-1040 Individual Income Tax return using one of the following online options:

    - The TSC (Taxpayer Service Center)
    - Filing from your home computer using commercially available approved software
    - Through a paid tax professional

Source. Connecticut State Department of Revenue Services, HERE.

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 Post subject: Re: Use tax and honesty
PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:21 am 
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I was more concerned about lying than stealing bc even if it was $50 I wasnt concerned about paying I was just impatient and worried about how much time and effort it would take for me to find out what I owed. So I felt like I was lying when I clicked "no I did not make any out of state purchases" and also when I e-signed my name that all the information was correct to my knowledge


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 Post subject: Re: Use tax and honesty
PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:31 am 
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Peregrinator wrote:
kpl2014 wrote:
I would have to go through all my emails of everything I ordered all year from the internet to find out if any of it was untaxed. Do I really have to do this?

Note that many online retailers (e.g. Amazon) now collect sales tax.

Amazon doesn't collect sales tax on every purchase, though.

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