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 Post subject: John the Baptist's relationship with Jesus
PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:21 pm 
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I'm safe to assume that John knew Jesus pretty well growing up.
His mother and Jesus' mother were close friends.
Since John lept in the womb of his mother upon hearing Mary's voice is it generally thought that John knew all along that Jesus was God's Son?

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 Post subject: Re: John the Baptist's relationship with Jesus
PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:44 pm 
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Mary and Elizabeth were related, cousins of some sort, not just friends, though the exact relationship is not known (some uncertain early traditions suggest that they were first cousins). I don't think it's necessary to believe that John the Baptist fully understood who Jesus is.

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 Post subject: Re: John the Baptist's relationship with Jesus
PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:53 pm 
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Certainly not necessary...
But I'm reading Frank Sheed's book 'To Know Christ Jesus' (incredible, by the way) and it just got me thinking about what John thought or knew about Jesus.
Then the thought that he leapt in Elizabeth's womb made me think that at some level he had to be endowed with some preternatural insight on Jesus.

Another thing in the book is how Sheed explains the significance of "Blessed art thou amongst women" being said to a woman who understood the Old Testament (as Mary would have)....
The significance of other women to whom that phrase had been directed prior to Mary.

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 Post subject: Re: John the Baptist's relationship with Jesus
PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 3:04 pm 
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p.falk wrote:
I'm safe to assume that John knew Jesus pretty well growing up.



I don't think it is 'safe' to assume that at all, certainly the gospel accounts of the baptism of Jesus give no indication that John and Jesus had ever even met before, and John required a sign of 'the Holy Spirit falling on him like a dove' and a voice from heaven just to be sure that Jesus was the Messiah. Certainly, they were relatives, that doesn't mean they knew each other, I have tons of relatives that I am aware of but have never actually met or talked to.

Although John's gospel's account is a little different, in John's account, he knew who Jesus was all along, and even cries out 'Behold, the Lamb of God', the first time he sees Jesus. John's gospel also doesn't have an account of Jesus' baptism, so it is possible that the meeting recorded in John was after that.


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 Post subject: Re: John the Baptist's relationship with Jesus
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Sheed's book is very good.

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 Post subject: Re: John the Baptist's relationship with Jesus
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p.falk wrote:
Certainly not necessary...
But I'm reading Frank Sheed's book 'To Know Christ Jesus' (incredible, by the way) and it just got me thinking about what John thought or knew about Jesus.
Then the thought that he leapt in Elizabeth's womb made me think that at some level he had to be endowed with some preternatural insight on Jesus.

Another thing in the book is how Sheed explains the significance of "Blessed art thou amongst women" being said to a woman who understood the Old Testament (as Mary would have)....
The significance of other women to whom that phrase had been directed prior to Mary.


If I win the lottery I will buy a truckload full of copies of that book and give them away.

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