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 Post subject: No Sign of Peace?
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Today, I made a return visit to a parish I haven't attended since before Advent. Anyway, since flu season is particularly rampant this year (and the vaccine is particularly ineffective this year, as well) I'm used to the suspension of the Precious Blood. This year, parishes are even taking the extra step of asking parishioners not to shake hands during the Sign of Peace. I get that too. But today at Mass, the Sign of Peace was left out altogether. We went straight from the Our Father to the Agnus Dei - do not pass "Go," do not collect $200.

Yes, I know the Mass was still valid, and I understand the rationale (I'm a firm believer in "Trust in God, but lock your car"). But is it licit to completely remove the Sign of Peace from the Mass? Just curious.

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 Post subject: Re: No Sign of Peace?
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The sign of peace is optional, always has been. The only reason it is so commonly included is because of an overemphasis on 'touchy-feely' crap in the United States. I'm frankly surprised that over the years the 'sign of peace' hasn't evolved into a bear hug where we are supposed to tell everyone around us 'I love you, man!'


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The "Lord Jesus Christ, who said to your Apostles" through "The peace of the Lord be with you always/and with your spirit" is always supposed to be there, even if "Let us offer each other the sign of peace" is omitted. That being said, anything that throws a priest off his rhythm can introduce difficulties, and I muffed this very thing the first time I was instructed to omit the sign of peace.

So yes, what you saw was done wrong, but I wouldn't read anything more into it than "Father got confused."

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 Post subject: Re: No Sign of Peace?
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Fr. Kenobi, do you mean to insinuate that priests are human beings and capable of making mistakes?!? :shock:


gheretic. :nono:

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Your words are hurtful :fyi: :cry:

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We haven't had the sign of peace at our parish in about 2 or 3 years.... (Although, people still do it during the Lamb of God... :( )

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Mrs. Timmy wrote:
But is it licit to completely remove the Sign of Peace from the Mass?

Who needs it?

Phooey.

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The sign of peace is optional, always has been. The only reason it is so commonly included is because of an overemphasis on 'touchy-feely' crap in the United States. I'm frankly surprised that over the years the 'sign of peace' hasn't evolved into a bear hug where we are supposed to tell everyone around us 'I love you, man!'


Hey Doom, "I love you, man!" :)

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Doom wrote:
The sign of peace is optional, always has been.


Correct.

It is optional. Our parish has not had shaking of the hands in years. It was disruptive in the larger Church. Only during Easter and Christmas Mass, when we have many visitors. (Most likely, to avoid confusing visitors)

On visits our Bishop has made comments on how beautiful the Church and Liturgy is at our parish, which leans on the traditional side.

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Letter from the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Sacraments, regarding the Sign of Peace.

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a) It should be made clear once and for all that the rite of peace already has its own profound meaning of prayer and offering of peace in the context of the Eucharist. An exchange of peace appropriately carried out among the participants at Mass enriches the meaning of the rite itself and gives fuller expression to it. It is entirely correct, therefore, to say that this does not involve inviting the faithful to exchange the sign of peace “mechanically”. If it is foreseen that it will not take place properly due to specific circumstances or if it is not considered pedagogically wise to carry it out on certain occasions, it can be omitted, and sometimes ought to be omitted.

https://zenit.org/articles/text-of-vati ... e-at-mass/

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Please note: The exchange of the sign of peace is optional, but the prayers preceding it are not, and that's what the OP was asking about.

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My guess it that perhaps the priest, conscious of the necessity of avoiding the handshake stuff, decided to omit even the preceding prayers so there would be no confusion.

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 Post subject: Re: No Sign of Peace?
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Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
Please note: The exchange of the sign of peace is optional, but the prayers preceding it are not, and that's what the OP was asking about.


Ah, very good clarification.

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 Post subject: Re: No Sign of Peace?
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My guess it that perhaps the priest, conscious of the necessity of avoiding the handshake stuff, decided to omit even the preceding prayers so there would be no confusion.

I hope not. That would be intentionally changing the Mass.

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Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
Peregrinator wrote:
My guess it that perhaps the priest, conscious of the necessity of avoiding the handshake stuff, decided to omit even the preceding prayers so there would be no confusion.

I hope not. That would be intentionally changing the Mass.

Well, perhaps he did not realize that the non-optional part was not optional. I assume that's usually the case when priests omit prayers from the Mass.

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As Fr. Kenobi alluded earlier, that’s the assumption we should always make, in the name of charity.

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We have always had the sign of peace during the liturgy but only recently started shaking hands. I have no idea when it started. Always dealing with a baby. This week they stayed home, so I noticed.

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I could do without it. The handshaking that is. It seems to disrupt the flow of the mass ... has a flavor of recess in elementary school. But the little kids seem to like it.

I note that in the pews, particularly older folks, won't shake hands. They nod. And grimace.

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I note that in the pews, particularly older folks, won't shake hands. They nod. And grimace.

They don't want to get sick.

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