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Is there generally an Anticipatory Mass on Sunday evening?

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I expect most places will do that.

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I was checking our firefighter son & son-in-law schedules - and decided I'd better check on this first.
So thanks!

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Ask the parish in question. They might have already decided what their schedule will be.

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Yes, thank you.
I will ask tomorrow, I just wondered if it might be a strong possibility.

It makes sense that there would be since we are a fairly large parish, but with only one priest - no assistant priest.
And two Sunday masses already.

For Christmas we generally have 5pm anticipatory, midnight, and 10am Christmas Day.

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Certainly there is always Christmas eve on Sunday, December 24 this year.

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Just to check (since this doesn't happen all that often), we are obligated to go to two masses that weekend, right? 1 Mass has to satisfy for the 4th Sunday of Advent (so a Mass any time from Saturday evening on December 23 to Sunday evening on December 24) and 1 Mass has to satisfy for Christmas (so a Mass any time from Sunday evening on the 24th to Monday on Christmas Day).

Also (and this hypothetical because I don't think this will apply to me), I could choose to attend a Christmas Vigil Mass at 5:30 PM on Sunday to satisfy my obligation for the 4th Sunday of Advent and then attend Midnight Mass to satisfy for the Christmas obligation?

One more hypothetical: I could choose to attend a Christmas Vigil Mass at 5:30 PM on Sunday and then (provided the 5:30 Mass ended in time) attend a 7:30 PM Christmas Vigil Mass on Sunday to satisfy both obligations?

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You are obligated to attend two Masses. No, this isn't written down anywhere.

One Mass must be between Saturday afternoon and midnight Sunday. It doesn't matter which readings and Mass prayers are used.

One Mass must be between Sunday afternoon (i.e., on Christmas Eve) and midnight Christmas Day. It doesn't matter which readings and Mass prayers are used.

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There can be four different Masses of Christmas:

1. Vigil Mass
2. Mass at Midnight
3. Mass at Dawn
4. Mass during the Day

We are obliged to satisfy two conditions:

1. Sunday obligation on either Saturday or Sunday morning - Fourth Sunday of Advent
2. Christmas obligation in any one of four different Christmas Masses.

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You are obligated to attend two Masses. No, this isn't written down anywhere.

Since it's not written down anywhere that one Mass may not fulfill two obligations, it can't be said definitively that it doesn't.

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Linsou wrote:
I was checking our firefighter son & son-in-law schedules - and decided I'd better check on this first.
So thanks!


Firefighters, policemen, doctors, nurses, etc may be dispensed from either Sunday or Christmas obligations especially when they have to do essential jobs.

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You are obligated to attend two Masses. No, this isn't written down anywhere.

Since it's not written down anywhere that one Mass may not fulfill two obligations, it can't be said definitively that it doesn't.

Can. 27. Custom is the best interpreter of laws.

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You are obligated to attend two Masses. No, this isn't written down anywhere.

Since it's not written down anywhere that one Mass may not fulfill two obligations, it can't be said definitively that it doesn't.

Can. 27. Custom is the best interpreter of laws.

The custom is to not have an anticipated Mass that fulfills the obligation at all, so I'm not sure that custom can be applied here.

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Custom is that one Mass doesn't fulfill multiple obligations.

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Custom is that one Mass doesn't fulfill multiple obligations.

Where can one read more about this? I'm not trying to be difficult - but ISTM prior to the introduction of the anticipated Mass there was no such thing as a Mass that might potentially fulfill more than one obligation - a Mass celebrated in the evening (where such things were permitted) would not have fulfilled the next day's obligation.

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One time this calendar configuration happened, back in 2000, I was visiting my parents in Detroit. I didn't have my car, as I had taken the train and a Greyhound bus to get up there. On Sunday morning, my dad drove me to St. Mary of Redford parish for Mass- only to discover that Mass had been moved an hour earlier, due, apparently, to the calendar. There was no effort made to get me to another Mass, and I was a bit upset. My mom - who had left the Church 5 years earlier - did accompany me to Christmas mass that night.

ETA; my dad was not a believer, but was taking me to Mass - or trying to- as a courtesy.

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I actually like it when Christmas is on a Monday. I go to 2 Masses in one day. No need to get dressed up twice in one week. :wink:

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We are pretty much Saturday evening regulars - so I'm guessing we will plan to go Saturday evening and Sunday evening.
Saturday evening is pretty much the gray hairs - our people - a few babies - but generally a very quiet Mass.
But good point there anawim. :)

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You are obligated to attend two Masses. No, this isn't written down anywhere.

One Mass must be between Saturday afternoon and midnight Sunday. It doesn't matter which readings and Mass prayers are used.

One Mass must be between Sunday afternoon (i.e., on Christmas Eve) and midnight Christmas Day. It doesn't matter which readings and Mass prayers are used.


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Linsou wrote:
Is there generally an Anticipatory Mass on Sunday evening?

What is an Anticipatory Mass?


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