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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:20 am 
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when i read things like jude1:16 and 19
("these people live by their own desires/cause divisions/live on the natural plane devoid of the spirit)
yes i do think of the ways i am like this but really certain people i know come to mind. there are lots of passages in the new testament telling believers to be aware of sinners who do x and y bad things and not to behave like that.
this confuses me because of quotes from saints saying things like "*i* am the worst sinner" and hold everyone else as more important/worthy than you.

so which is it ? they are these awful sinners devoid of the spirit or they are more worthy than me?


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:24 am 
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to be honest that whole "i am the worst sinner" thing confuses me. how can more than one person be the worst sinner? if we are all the worst sinner than isnt it meaningless?


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 7:14 am 
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A saint says, "I am the worst sinner," for several reasons.

First, the closer he gets to God, the more even a slight fault looks like an enormous sin.
Second, he is aware how often he has not made use of the graces God has given him, whereas he charitably assumes that everyone else has not been favored with graces to the extent that he has.

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 Post subject: Re: people
PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:55 am 
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interesting. thank you. so are we not to think of people we know when we read passages like jude 1:16 and 1:19?


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:56 am 
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I don't see how that would be productive.

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kpl2014 wrote:
interesting. thank you. so are we not to think of people we know when we read passages like jude 1:16 and 1:19?


I agree with Fr. in that it's an open door to spiritual pride. There's too much of a temptation in that instance to find yourself turning into the Pharisee in Luke's gospel, thanking God that you're not like "that sinner".

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