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 Post subject: correcting the sinner?
PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:56 am 
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so today's readings concerned me (ezekiel 33:7-9 and matthew 18:15-20)
do we have to correct everyone who we know is doing wrong? or just Christians?
*i have been avoiding saying anything when i hear someone say something against God because in my experience they dont care, dont want to hear what you think, get angry and then dont want to talk to you anymore


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 Post subject: Re: correcting the sinner?
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We are to admonish the sinner IF

we have some position of authority over them (correcting our kids or our students or a pastor correcting his flock)

that person has given you some authority over them (asking a friend who I know is a well-formed Catholic to advise me, if I am a writer or speaker and someone seeks out my writings for advice, asking someone to be my spiritual director)

We are warned about giving out unsolicited advice... the whole take the log out of my own eye before I point out he splinter in someone else's eye.

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 Post subject: Re: correcting the sinner?
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Four conditions:

There has to be a real spiritual danger.
The sin involved has to be serious.
There has to be a well-founded hope that our intervention will help.
We don't have to intervene when there's a serious threat to our well-being if we do.

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 Post subject: Re: correcting the sinner?
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thank you


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 Post subject: Re: correcting the sinner?
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kage_ar wrote:
We are to admonish the sinner IF

we have some position of authority over them (correcting our kids or our students or a pastor correcting his flock)

that person has given you some authority over them (asking a friend who I know is a well-formed Catholic to advise me, if I am a writer or speaker and someone seeks out my writings for advice, asking someone to be my spiritual director)

We are warned about giving out unsolicited advice... the whole take the log out of my own eye before I point out he splinter in someone else's eye.

I think that is too high of a standard. We should admonish the sinner if we have some reasonable hope that our admonishment will be heeded. I don't think Matt 7:12 is necessarily a warning about unsolicited advice.

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For example, I don't think the Pope ever asked St. Catherine of Siena her advice about staying in Avignon.

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in one case i have a friend who is younger than me, considers herself Catholic... she is a nice girl. i think i should say something to her about grave sin (also just dangerous and bad choices) she is making. she might be annoyed but she might think about it


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kpl2014 wrote:
in one case i have a friend who is younger than me, considers herself Catholic... she is a nice girl. i think i should say something to her about grave sin (also just dangerous and bad choices) she is making. she might be annoyed but she might think about it


I don't know about if or when but how you do it, makes all the difference. The intent is to lead them back home, to love. If done poorly, the result is the opposite and will only drive them away. I suspect you intuitively know that, however.

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 Post subject: Re: correcting the sinner?
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yeah that was the homily on sunday. if we correct anyone it has to be out of humility not judging and being on a high horse. i failed at that in the past.


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kpl2014 wrote:
in one case i have a friend who is younger than me, considers herself Catholic... she is a nice girl. i think i should say something to her about grave sin (also just dangerous and bad choices) she is making. she might be annoyed but she might think about it


I don't know about if or when but how you do it, makes all the difference. The intent is to lead them back home, to love. If done poorly, the result is the opposite and will only drive them away. I suspect you intuitively know that, however.

My old Baptist pastor said before you speak to someone about their sin (1) your heart should be broken for them and (2) you should spend a lot more time in prayer for them than you do talking to them.

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 Post subject: Re: correcting the sinner?
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good advice. i was thinking about it though bc she reached out to me about something.


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Also, when you correct someone, give them a realistic offer to help them in that change.

"Sally, you know that taking artificial birth control is a sin. Why would you want to do something that harms your body and your soul? There is a really interesting book (or talk, or video), let's study it together, okay?"

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