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 Post subject: Byzantines and purgatory
PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:07 pm 
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Are Byzantines required to believe in purgatory? If not, why not?

Or is this just a matter of using two different words to define a common belief?

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 Post subject: Re: Byzantines and purgatory
PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:09 pm 
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Eastern Catholics have to subscribe to the exact same formulas as everybody else,

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 Post subject: Re: Byzantines and purgatory
PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:22 pm 
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That's what I thought, but I heard otherwise by Byzantine Catholic.

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 Post subject: Re: Byzantines and purgatory
PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:40 pm 
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there are apparently poorly catechized byzantines as well :fyi:

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 Post subject: Re: Byzantines and purgatory
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I think this is an unfortunate result of a confluence between telling Easterners to drop latinizations, while insisting on a very false statement that Eastern Orthodox is not heretical, just schismatic. They are both.

They are of course not bound to believe that the fires of purgatory are the same as hell, e.g.. They are required to believe that there is some place (used in a loose sense of place) where the souls of those with temporal dues and the remnants of sin are purged before heaven. That this is both punitive and medicinal. Nor are they held to the name.

Just as, likewise they are held to affirm the dogma about indulgences, that the Church may grant indulgences for certain acts from the treasury of merits. But they are not held to, necessarily, that exact language or the exact same practice (though indulgences are, though not by name, practiced in the East in their primordial form. Namely, the old canonical penances are not given, but rather must light penances, through indulgence of the Church)

Or again, they must insist that the Epiklesis is of the essential form of the Eucharist, as instituted by Christ. For if this were so, then the Roman Rite (as it has existed for centuries), even in the form of the Novus Ordo if EP I is use, would not be a real Mass. There is no Epiklesis in the historical Roman Rite. There is a prayer in the canon that seems to be a remnant of one to the Holy Ghost, but an earlier remnant of what pre-existed such a practice, namely an epiklesis of the Word. But no actual epikelsis. Nor was there an epiklesis to the Holy Ghost in any rite very early on. So obviously to insist on it for consecration, would be to hold Latins as not only heretics, but unable to worship God. Which is inadmissible. Rather the epiklesis in any rite evidences that the whole consecrating prayer, Canon or anaphora, should be seen as effecting the Eucharist, though the temporal moment of it and the sine qua non act is the words of Institution. (and no, the Quam oblationem is certainly not an epiklesis. Moving the bell ringing or hand gesturing does not make it so)

And so on.

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