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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:52 pm 
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What does the Catholic church believe happens to babies or young children that die without having been baptised? Suppose their parents arent Catholics and never even considered baptizing them?

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 Post subject: Re: Children and baptism
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1261 As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus' tenderness toward children which caused him to say: "Let the children come to me, do not hinder them," allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism. All the more urgent is the Church's call not to prevent little children coming to Christ through the gift of holy Baptism.

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 Post subject: Re: Children and baptism
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force fingered :rant :hissy

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 Post subject: Re: Children and baptism
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force fingered :rant :hissy


Ok forgive me but what does force fingered mean?

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 Post subject: Re: Children and baptism
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milby wrote:
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force fingered :rant :hissy


Ok forgive me but what does force fingered mean?


It means that I used the force to type faster than he did!!!!!! :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: Children and baptism
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To add, there are really two possibilities: This infant was, by extraordinary grace outside of the sacrament, cleansed of original sin before he died and hence went to heaven (how that might happen, if, and if how often is not in revelation and is speculation, though certainly possible)

Or this infant dies in original sin, but no person sin. In that case he does not go to heaven. One is permitted (though it has all but been universally rejected by theologians) to think they go to hell and suffer, but the least of all. St. Thomas argued, in accordance with the pre-Augustianian Fathers (who held this as well, contrary to 20th century denials) that they do not suffer, as they have no person sin, but they are deprived of the beatific vision because of original sin. What this meant was, in the strict sense they go to hell (that is dogma, if you die in original sin you go to hell) but it is the hem of hell, or "limbus infernorum, limbo" It is called hell not because it is suffering, but because of what it is not. Still, they would receive some final end that is good, on a natural level, and hence a happiness of resting in an end suited for human nature, but not as high as the beatific vision. They would be aware of God as their source of being and take joy in that, but would not have the life of grace. Pace St. Thomas

But that whole question of limbo and whether they suffer at all, etc, presupposes they die in original sin, and the possibility that God might, with some extraordinary grace, prevent that is the other option.

Either way, I would say we can be certain that they do not suffer.

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kage_ar wrote:
milby wrote:
faithfulservant wrote:
force fingered :rant :hissy


Ok forgive me but what does force fingered mean?


It means that I used the force to type faster than he did!!!!!! :mrgreen:


exactly...and i was going to post the exact same thing...nothing more, nothing less... though my order would have been reversed :fyi:

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