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 Post subject: When did Mary know Jesus was the Christ?
PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 11:22 pm 
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When did she know he was the Messiah? Also, did she know he was the second person of the trinity? I'm not sure, based on the words of the apostles in scripture, if they even knew for sure initially. The first chapter of John and a word from Thomas referring to Jesus as "My God" seem to be only indicators of a trinitarian understanding of the Lord. I'm not doubting the Trinity, but I'm wondering if Mary knew that Her Son was God.

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 Post subject: Re: When did Mary know Jesus was the Christ?
PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 11:50 pm 
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Of course she did, she was told it by the Angel Gabriel at the Annunciation

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 Post subject: Re: When did Mary know Jesus was the Christ?
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I don't think this is really clear from scripture. She later "marvels" at the words of Simeon, and didn't understand Jesus when he said he was "going about his Father's work" after finding him in the temple after three days. She didn't seem to know what this meant.

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 Post subject: Re: When did Mary know Jesus was the Christ?
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The angel Gabriel told her

“Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. And the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end.”

Any believing Jew would know that 'son of the most high' and 'reign over the house of Jacob forever' means that she is going to give birth to the Messiah, Gabriel's words cannot possibly be understood any other way. It is absolutely clear.

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There is a protestant thinking that spawns songs such as "Mary, Did You Know"...

The answer is, YES, Mary Knew.

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 Post subject: Re: When did Mary know Jesus was the Christ?
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Nathan M. wrote:
I don't think this is really clear from scripture. She later "marvels" at the words of Simeon, and didn't understand Jesus when he said he was "going about his Father's work" after finding him in the temple after three days. She didn't seem to know what this meant.

She wasn't clear on the implications. Unless she was dumb as a rock, she knew what the general outline was, as Doom describes.

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 Post subject: Re: When did Mary know Jesus was the Christ?
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Nathan M. wrote:
When did she know he was the Messiah? Also, did she know he was the second person of the trinity? I'm not sure, based on the words of the apostles in scripture, if they even knew for sure initially. The first chapter of John and a word from Thomas referring to Jesus as "My God" seem to be only indicators of a trinitarian understanding of the Lord. I'm not doubting the Trinity, but I'm wondering if Mary knew that Her Son was God.

Gabriel told her. She knew from before birth.


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