Login Register

All times are UTC - 5 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic Page 1 of 1   [ 16 posts ]   
Author Message
 Post subject: Proper way to handle Eucharist accidents
PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:29 am 
Offline
Citizen
Citizen

Joined: Thu Jan 11, 2007 12:21 pm
Posts: 317
Religion: Catholic
Church Affiliations: KoC
Ok a long time ago on these forums there was a mention of a book of rites that said how to handle Eucharist accidents like spillage of the blood or dropping the Eucharist. Does anyone know which one that is?

The reason is I would like to gently inform my pastor of what to do next time something happens. I do not believe he knows. Since we are making an effort to bring back an alter rail I can see more issues with accidents in the future.

Thanks

_________________
Will
(catchy phrase to be determined)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Proper way to handle Eucharist accidents
PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:34 am 
Offline
Jedi Master
Jedi Master
User avatar

Joined: Tue Dec 31, 2002 9:55 am
Posts: 81565
Location: 1.5532386636 radians
Religion: Catholic
Church Affiliations: 4th Degree KofC
altAr. :)

I'm not sure what book you're talking about. The old (Extraordinary Form) missal has a whole list of instructions in the front, but I don't know if they've ever been translated into English.

_________________
Nos autem in nomine Domini Dei nostri

Need something to read?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Proper way to handle Eucharist accidents
PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:06 pm 
Offline
Handmaids of the Lord
Handmaids of the Lord
User avatar

Joined: Sat Sep 24, 2005 5:02 pm
Posts: 12410
Location: Ultima Thule
Religion: Catholic
Will wrote:
Since we are making an effort to bring back an alter rail I can see more issues with accidents in the future.


Why would an altar rail cause there to be more issues with accidents?

_________________
'The only cure for sagging or fainting faith is Communion.... Like the act of Faith it must be continuous and grow by exercise. Frequency is of the highest effect. Seven times a week is more nourishing than seven times at intervals.'
J.R.R. Tolkien

Blasé member of PPPA


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Proper way to handle Eucharist accidents
PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:15 pm 
Offline
Citizen
Citizen

Joined: Thu Jan 11, 2007 12:21 pm
Posts: 317
Religion: Catholic
Church Affiliations: KoC
Norwegianblue wrote:
Will wrote:
Since we are making an effort to bring back an alter rail I can see more issues with accidents in the future.


Why would an altar rail cause there to be more issues with accidents?



Because knowing people it will take them time to adjust to receiving at the rail. (Murphy rules!!!)

You and I know the proper way is to keel and receive on the tongue. If you have not received in that fashion for a while, accidents will happen. Not to mention altar servers not properly handling the patens (SP?).

Worst case I can see someone kneeling and wanting to receive in the hand then hitting the rail with their elbow and dropping it.

Even if nothing happens it is still good to know what to do just in case.

_________________
Will
(catchy phrase to be determined)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Proper way to handle Eucharist accidents
PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:43 pm 
Offline
Jedi Master
Jedi Master
User avatar

Joined: Tue Dec 31, 2002 9:55 am
Posts: 81565
Location: 1.5532386636 radians
Religion: Catholic
Church Affiliations: 4th Degree KofC
"Patens" is indeed the correct spelling.

_________________
Nos autem in nomine Domini Dei nostri

Need something to read?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Proper way to handle Eucharist accidents
PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:52 pm 
Offline
Citizen
Citizen

Joined: Thu Jan 11, 2007 12:21 pm
Posts: 317
Religion: Catholic
Church Affiliations: KoC
Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
altAr. :)

I'm not sure what book you're talking about. The old (Extraordinary Form) missal has a whole list of instructions in the front, but I don't know if they've ever been translated into English.



Who knows that might have been it. I believe you were in the original thread that mentioned it. This was years ago so I cannot be sure.

I remember my dad saying one time (pre VII) someone dropped the Eucharist and the area was roped off for a few weeks when he was a kid. Unfortunately, he lost some of his faith when later (post VII) he saw an extraordinary minister drop the Eucharist and just pick it up as if nothing happened. I can see his point if the Eucharist is what we know it is, how can we just let that happen?

_________________
Will
(catchy phrase to be determined)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Proper way to handle Eucharist accidents
PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:03 pm 
Offline
Eminent
Eminent
User avatar

Joined: Tue Dec 31, 2002 11:59 am
Posts: 16656
Religion: Католик
GIRM, Number 280, gives the instructions:

https://www.catholicherald.com/Faith/Yo ... accidents/

_________________
ABORTUS NECNON INFANTICIDIUM NEFANDA SUNT CRIMINA.

Abortion and infanticide are abominable crimes. (Gaudium et Spes, 51)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Proper way to handle Eucharist accidents
PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:05 pm 
Offline
Eminent
Eminent
User avatar

Joined: Tue Dec 31, 2002 11:59 am
Posts: 16656
Religion: Католик
By the way, the proper spelling is ALTAR, not ALTER.

_________________
ABORTUS NECNON INFANTICIDIUM NEFANDA SUNT CRIMINA.

Abortion and infanticide are abominable crimes. (Gaudium et Spes, 51)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Proper way to handle Eucharist accidents
PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:24 am 
Offline
Prodigal Son of Thunder
Prodigal Son of Thunder
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 23, 2002 10:54 am
Posts: 40001
Location: Ithilien
Religion: Dunedain Catholic
Church Affiliations: AWC, CSB, UIGSE-FSE (FNE)
Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
"Patens" is indeed the correct spelling.

There is typically only one paten; what the altar servers hold is the Communion plate.

_________________
Formerly Bagheera

"Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the King." (1 Peter 2:17)
Federation of North-American Explorers - North Star Group - How You Can Help


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Proper way to handle Eucharist accidents
PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:42 pm 
Offline
Jedi Master
Jedi Master
User avatar

Joined: Tue Dec 31, 2002 9:55 am
Posts: 81565
Location: 1.5532386636 radians
Religion: Catholic
Church Affiliations: 4th Degree KofC
Referred to as a "paten" in common usage.

_________________
Nos autem in nomine Domini Dei nostri

Need something to read?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Proper way to handle Eucharist accidents
PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:11 pm 
Offline
Citizen
Citizen

Joined: Sun Jul 29, 2018 7:53 pm
Posts: 555
Religion: Looking for answers
Will wrote:
Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
altAr. :)

I remember my dad saying one time (pre VII) someone dropped the Eucharist and the area was roped off for a few weeks when he was a kid. Unfortunately, he lost some of his faith when later (post VII) he saw an extraordinary minister drop the Eucharist and just pick it up as if nothing happened. I can see his point if the Eucharist is what we know it is, how can we just let that happen?

I don't understand the point of roping off the area for a few weeks. Can someone explain? Accidents happen, and we can try to prevent accidents, but once they happen, they have happened, so how does it help to rope off the area for a few weeks? :scratch:


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Proper way to handle Eucharist accidents
PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:19 pm 
Offline
Sons of Thunder
Sons of Thunder
User avatar

Joined: Fri Feb 13, 2015 9:36 am
Posts: 8937
Location: India
Religion: Catholic (Syro Malabar)
Presumably, the area was roped off to prevent people from stepping on bits of the mysteries. Since Jesus is present in every bit, the mysteries must be treated with such care.

_________________
"May our tongues proclaim Your truth. May Your Cross be a protection for us as we let our tongues be turned into new harps and sing hymns with fiery lips"

-From the introduction to Our Father, "On the feasts of the Lord and other important feasts", Syro Malabar rite


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Proper way to handle Eucharist accidents
PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:55 pm 
Offline
Jedi Master
Jedi Master
User avatar

Joined: Tue Dec 31, 2002 9:55 am
Posts: 81565
Location: 1.5532386636 radians
Religion: Catholic
Church Affiliations: 4th Degree KofC
I'm not sure why it would take several weeks to clean it up, though.

_________________
Nos autem in nomine Domini Dei nostri

Need something to read?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Proper way to handle Eucharist accidents
PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:07 pm 
Offline
Sons of Thunder
Sons of Thunder
User avatar

Joined: Fri Feb 13, 2015 9:36 am
Posts: 8937
Location: India
Religion: Catholic (Syro Malabar)
Me neither. But there is only one reason to rope though.

_________________
"May our tongues proclaim Your truth. May Your Cross be a protection for us as we let our tongues be turned into new harps and sing hymns with fiery lips"

-From the introduction to Our Father, "On the feasts of the Lord and other important feasts", Syro Malabar rite


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Proper way to handle Eucharist accidents
PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:35 am 
Offline
Citizen
Citizen

Joined: Thu Jan 11, 2007 12:21 pm
Posts: 317
Religion: Catholic
Church Affiliations: KoC
lbt wrote:
GIRM, Number 280, gives the instructions:

https://www.catholicherald.com/Faith/Yo ... accidents/



Thank you that helps.

_________________
Will
(catchy phrase to be determined)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Proper way to handle Eucharist accidents
PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:44 am 
Offline
Citizen
Citizen

Joined: Thu Jan 11, 2007 12:21 pm
Posts: 317
Religion: Catholic
Church Affiliations: KoC
Jack3 wrote:
Presumably, the area was roped off to prevent people from stepping on bits of the mysteries. Since Jesus is present in every bit, the mysteries must be treated with such care.


That was my thought as well. Perhaps the host was 'crumbly' and to ensure that no one stepped on the Eucharist it was better to make sure all the bits had been picked up or dissolved. As far as why so long maybe there was an assumption for how long it takes to dissolve, I do not know. From what my father said the area was immediately roped off, the priests stopped the line until it was done and I assume the prayers said were sorrowful ones for having dropped our lord??

_________________
Will
(catchy phrase to be determined)


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic Page 1 of 1   [ 16 posts ]   


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


Jump to: