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 Post subject: Catholic Mass in Beijing
PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:44 am 
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I was just wondering what the current status is, where should one go for Catholic Mass in Beijing, China?

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 Post subject: Re: Catholic Mass in Beijing
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Because it is illegal (and dangerous for the Catholic Church) to attend the Roman Catholic Underground Church in China, you are not obligated to attend Mass on Sundays or other holy days of obligation. However, if you choose to go to Mass, you can attend the government-established Chinese Catholic Patriotic church, or a state-approved Eastern Orthodox church.

The Code of Canon Law states:

Whenever necessity requires it or true spiritual advantage suggests it, and provided that danger of error or of indifferentism is avoided, the [Catholic] Christian faithful for whom it is physically or morally impossible to approach a Catholic minister are permitted to receive the sacraments of penance, Eucharist, and anointing of the sick from non-Catholic ministers in whose Churches these sacraments are valid. (CIC 844 §2)

In his Letter to the Church in China (May 27, 2007), Pope Benedict XVI writes:

Concerning bishops whose consecrations took place without the pontifical mandate yet respecting the Catholic rite of episcopal ordination, the resulting problems must always be resolved in the light of the principles of Catholic doctrine. Their ordination as I have already said (cf. section 8 above, paragraph 12) is illegitimate but valid, just as priestly ordinations conferred by them are valid, and sacraments administered by such bishops and priests are likewise valid. Therefore the faithful, taking this into account, where the eucharistic celebration and the other sacraments are concerned, must, within the limits of the possible, seek bishops and priests who are in communion with the pope: Nevertheless, where this cannot be achieved without grave inconvenience, they may, for the sake of their spiritual good, turn also to those who are not in communion with the pope.

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 Post subject: Re: Catholic Mass in Beijing
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The general advice is not to seek out the underground Church, which exposes them to danger. You can satisfy your obligation at an official church, and you won't be putting someone's life in danger by doing so.

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 Post subject: Re: Catholic Mass in Beijing
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The bishop of Beijing is in communion with Rome.

http://www.gcatholic.org/dioceses/dioce ... .htm#46722

I believe this website says "no papal mandate" for bishops that are not in communion with Rome.


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 Post subject: Re: Catholic Mass in Beijing
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This thread makes me feel a great deal of gratitude (whereas I may have taken it for granted) that I can attend Mass and receive the sacraments, without impediment, in the U.S..

I suspect we Americans just don't know how good we have it....

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Pray for China.

Last May I was with Chinese people from Hong Kong at Fátima, Portugal with Pope Francis presiding at the Mass.

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 Post subject: Re: Catholic Mass in Beijing
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Peetem wrote:
This thread makes me feel a great deal of gratitude (whereas I may have taken it for granted) that I can attend Mass and receive the sacraments, without impediment, in the U.S..

I suspect we Americans just don't know how good we have it....


While American culture is increasingly secular and hostile to Christianity, I do wince at times when I hear Catholics and Evangelicals talk about the cultural "war" against Christianity and rampant persecution in America. One need only think of places like communist China or the Muslim world, etc, to realize what actual anti-Christian persecution looks like.

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Welcome to Saudi Arabia!

A Saudi prince asked President Putin for a large mosque be built at Moscow.

Vladimir Putin would agree if Saudis allow a Russian Orthodoc Church be built in Saudi Arabia.

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 Post subject: Re: Catholic Mass in Beijing
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Desertfalcon wrote:
Peetem wrote:
This thread makes me feel a great deal of gratitude (whereas I may have taken it for granted) that I can attend Mass and receive the sacraments, without impediment, in the U.S..

I suspect we Americans just don't know how good we have it....


While American culture is increasingly secular and hostile to Christianity, I do wince at times when I hear Catholics and Evangelicals talk about the cultural "war" against Christianity and rampant persecution in America. One need only think of places like communist China or the Muslim world, etc, to realize what actual anti-Christian persecution looks like.

Yes.
I read the other day that they (the authorities) are banning children from attending churches in China now.

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