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 Post subject: The Early Church and Penance
PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 1:49 pm 
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I've been listening to the podcast "Catholic under the Hood" and am a bit shocked at how severe the requirements for penance were in the Early Church.

We're all the changes that took place since then changes in theology or discipline?

Also, what would be the state of someone soul who didn't go through the harsh procedures to repent in the Early Church?

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 Post subject: Re: The Early Church and Penance
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I may not be able to answer your specific questions but such penances illustrates the value of the gift of indulgences.

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Here is a link to an historical account of changes:
http://religion.oxfordre.com/view/10.10 ... 40378-e-71

The major change was the move from public penance (e.g. standing at the door of the Church and asking those entering to pray for you if you had committed a serious sin) to private reconciliation which was the practice of the Celtic Church. There was resistance to that practice but the Celtic practice became standard by the middle ages.

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Here is a link to an historical account of changes:
http://religion.oxfordre.com/view/10.10 ... 40378-e-71

The major change was the move from public penance (e.g. standing at the door of the Church and asking those entering to pray for you if you had committed a serious sin) to private reconciliation which was the practice of the Celtic Church. There was resistance to that practice but the Celtic practice became standard by the middle ages.

The "Celtic" practice?

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aussie_aussie_oi_oi wrote:
Here is a link to an historical account of changes:
http://religion.oxfordre.com/view/10.10 ... 40378-e-71

The major change was the move from public penance (e.g. standing at the door of the Church and asking those entering to pray for you if you had committed a serious sin) to private reconciliation which was the practice of the Celtic Church. There was resistance to that practice but the Celtic practice became standard by the middle ages.

The "Celtic" practice?

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I've been listening to the podcast "Catholic under the Hood" and am a bit shocked at how severe the requirements for penance were in the Early Church.
As a side note, I always find it ironic when Eastern Orthodox theologians, and sometimes even Eastern Catholics (in communion with Rome) reject indulgences and canonical penalties as 'Western,' when, AFAIK, the Eastern Church used to have the harshest ones.

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aussie_aussie_oi_oi wrote:
Here is a link to an historical account of changes:
http://religion.oxfordre.com/view/10.10 ... 40378-e-71

The major change was the move from public penance (e.g. standing at the door of the Church and asking those entering to pray for you if you had committed a serious sin) to private reconciliation which was the practice of the Celtic Church. There was resistance to that practice but the Celtic practice became standard by the middle ages.

The "Celtic" practice?


Yes - the Church in Britain & Ireland.

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I have no knowledge of it's ancient practice in the British Isles but I suspect that private penance is as old as public confession, if not older.

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aussie_aussie_oi_oi wrote:
Peregrinator wrote:
aussie_aussie_oi_oi wrote:
Here is a link to an historical account of changes:
http://religion.oxfordre.com/view/10.10 ... 40378-e-71

The major change was the move from public penance (e.g. standing at the door of the Church and asking those entering to pray for you if you had committed a serious sin) to private reconciliation which was the practice of the Celtic Church. There was resistance to that practice but the Celtic practice became standard by the middle ages.

The "Celtic" practice?


Yes - the Church in Britain & Ireland.

Oh they mean the Catholic Church

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